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post #106 of 177
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I'm not taking anything down. just because a headphone doesn't shake off your head doesn't mean it isn't suitable for a basshead. Also i stated clearly that the 448 had substantially less bass than all the other headphones. I updated it to make it express that more clearly
Edited by SennheiserHD - 6/17/11 at 8:26pm
post #107 of 177
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this is starting to get irritating, i don't think anyone is even reading the guide. they look at the m50 and 448, rant about how they are not "basshead" cans and run off.
post #108 of 177

*shrug*

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Originally Posted by SennheiserHD View Post

this is starting to get irritating, i don't think anyone is even reading the guide. they look at the m50 and 448, rant about how they are not "basshead" cans and run off.


In all fairness, the current thread title implies a community effort whereas something like "SennheiserHD's Basshead Buyer's Guide!" would better convey one individual's perspective.  In any case, posting on a public forum does leave one's opinions open for criticism, so take the musings of others however you like.

 

What this thread does, however, is introduce the prospect of a larger community project.  There are a glut of threads started that are asking for a basshead headphone for 'X' amount, so perhaps you or someone else would be willing to maintain a thread ranking bass performance based on general consensus.  It certainly wouldn't be a perfect science, but look at how well this has worked for community projects like the Blu Ray PQ Tier Thread over at AVS Forum.  A poster could give a short review, perhaps compare it directly to some competing products, and then recommend it for a particular placement.  If something seems out of place multiple members will be sure to voice their concerns.  In terms of pricing, I suppose that there could be separate price tiers, (under $200, $200-$500, etc.) but giving a rough street price or even a range based on purchase amounts disclosed by individual posters might prove more useful for those who are looking to make an upgrade. (price isn't necessarily commensurate with performance, after all)

 

Just thinking out loud, though. :)

post #110 of 177

 

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this is starting to get irritating, i don't think anyone is even reading the guide. they look at the m50 and 448, rant about how they are not "basshead" cans and run off.

 

I wouldn't recommend criticizing other people just because they got a different opinion than you, you won't get far with such attitude.

 

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I'm more skeptical about the reviewer in question than the product itself.

 

I'm seeing some "hype" for it now and wanted to counteract that.

 

The marketing is indeed quite "hype" looking as well and not very scientific, I mean how the hell does it "extend the low frequency cut-off" and "unmask sonic detail" and all that jazz it just looks like pure b/s.

 

I might end up getting one later second hand cheap if I can, and see what it does to hardstyle in my Ety's, my hunch is I'll be dissapointed, but it's worth a shot for 50 bucks or so, and then I'll compare it to my DAPs and discman and stuff.

 

 

You're too much of an audiophile, thinking too much theoretically. For me it's what I hear with my ear that matters, not how it's done. It's difficult to believe in this ZO device if you're a very theoretical person that looks at how it works instead of what it provides, it's really a device that has to be heard with your ears and you won't mind how it was done anymore. :p

 

I analyzed those claimed things on the website in my review and found there's really truth in what is written there, now I'm not talking from a theoretical point of view but subjective listening, how I interpret it by ear. These are the things I found it improves besides having the bass boost capability:

 

- Dynamic range improved (probably from the more forward sound due to the whole frequency range getting a boost)

- Balances out headphones a little bit (same reason as above)

- Tightens up bass a bit with very little midrange bleed as well as adding a realistic "punch/kick" to it which you can feel but not necessarily hear

- Better microdetail definition (as long as you're sticking to the lower/lowest settings)

- Soundstage "borders" expanded

- A bit better instrument separation

 

It also seems like they are lacking a person with enough amount knowledge about audio/headphones/technical jargon as well as putting this down into words as a comment by the DigiZoid's contact here on head-fi hinted in a comment after notifying him about my review. ;p So that's why it probably sounds a bit dodgy as they are trying to explain the difference that you hear put into words by probably not the most experienced person when it comes down to this, remember this is a newcomer we're talking about after all, not a giant company. :)

 

I'm only speaking good about the product because I'm so happy with it and I want to support this "unique" new product and I want it to become a success so I can enjoy even further improved products in the future, it's a win-win for both! The more I speak good about  it the better for me as well so it's not like I'm only the "kind" guy supporting a new company with their new product. :p


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/18/11 at 12:42am
post #111 of 177

Woah. I'm gone for a night and already a full blown arguement over the M50/HD448 has risen...

 

Seriously though, I think you should make it a good point in your comparison review to warn those "bassheads" that the two 'phones you've just mentioned *MAY NOT* satisfy their preferences. This is coming from a person (me) who had experienced many Head-Fiers running off to the shop to return buttloads of M50s due to "not enough bass".

 

If you don't want to, fine. But I'm just saying, please try not to brainwash more newbies into thinking the M50s are another XB500. Right sorry, didn't realise that you already edited the review. My apologies :)

 

 


Edited by crinacle - 6/18/11 at 12:12am
post #112 of 177
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Have you tried the HFI 580 with Mach3bass, BBE, and EQ settings? I really couldn't imagine wanting more bass! I never knew an AKG could compete with the HFI 580 in bass =)



i heard 580 and i thought 780 has more bass and akg k181 has more bass impact than 780. 

post #113 of 177
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Originally Posted by Curly21029 View Post

 


In all fairness, the current thread title implies a community effort whereas something like "SennheiserHD's Basshead Buyer's Guide!" would better convey one individual's perspective.  In any case, posting on a public forum does leave one's opinions open for criticism, so take the musings of others however you like.

 

What this thread does, however, is introduce the prospect of a larger community project.  There are a glut of threads started that are asking for a basshead headphone for 'X' amount, so perhaps you or someone else would be willing to maintain a thread ranking bass performance based on general consensus.  It certainly wouldn't be a perfect science, but look at how well this has worked for community projects like the Blu Ray PQ Tier Thread over at AVS Forum.  A poster could give a short review, perhaps compare it directly to some competing products, and then recommend it for a particular placement.  If something seems out of place multiple members will be sure to voice their concerns.  In terms of pricing, I suppose that there could be separate price tiers, (under $200, $200-$500, etc.) but giving a rough street price or even a range based on purchase amounts disclosed by individual posters might prove more useful for those who are looking to make an upgrade. (price isn't necessarily commensurate with performance, after all)

 

Just thinking out loud, though. :)


maybe i should take out my conclusion, and strictly rate the headphones against each other? I would still need to choose a winner though. The thing is yes there are a lot of headphones out there that are better than the m50, but not for 100 bucks. I mean to even get a fair comparison you have to rate them against headphones than are 50-70% more expensive!
post #114 of 177
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In all fairness, the current thread title implies a community effort whereas something like "SennheiserHD's Basshead Buyer's Guide!" would better convey one individual's perspective...



Agreed on changing the title to reflect the guide as being made by the author's experiences with said headphones.

post #115 of 177
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i heard 580 and i thought 780 has more bass and akg k181 has more bass impact than 780. 



No way! I think you need to try the 580 with a Cowon again. The 780 did not even come close to how much bass impact the 580 could give. The 780 was not much better at EQ than Shures or M50.

post #116 of 177
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Agreed on changing the title to reflect the guide as being made by the author's experiences with said headphones.


thanks for the free bump
post #117 of 177
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No way! I think you need to try the 580 with a Cowon again. The 780 did not even come close to how much bass impact the 580 could give. The 780 was not much better at EQ than Shures or M50.


580 definitely has more bass than the 780
post #118 of 177
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Originally Posted by Curly21029 View Post

 


In all fairness, the current thread title implies a community effort whereas something like "SennheiserHD's Basshead Buyer's Guide!" would better convey one individual's perspective.  In any case, posting on a public forum does leave one's opinions open for criticism, so take the musings of others however you like.

 

What this thread does, however, is introduce the prospect of a larger community project.  There are a glut of threads started that are asking for a basshead headphone for 'X' amount, so perhaps you or someone else would be willing to maintain a thread ranking bass performance based on general consensus.  It certainly wouldn't be a perfect science, but look at how well this has worked for community projects like the Blu Ray PQ Tier Thread over at AVS Forum.  A poster could give a short review, perhaps compare it directly to some competing products, and then recommend it for a particular placement.  If something seems out of place multiple members will be sure to voice their concerns.  In terms of pricing, I suppose that there could be separate price tiers, (under $200, $200-$500, etc.) but giving a rough street price or even a range based on purchase amounts disclosed by individual posters might prove more useful for those who are looking to make an upgrade. (price isn't necessarily commensurate with performance, after all)

 

Just thinking out loud, though. :)


if someone could do a review of high price range headphones I would be more than happy to combine our efforts!!
post #119 of 177
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thanks for the free bump


Is that the only thing you have to say? For the second time, that meant absolutely nothing. Keep that to yourself and listen to the constructive advices of other people.

 

EDIT: Look, I think it's great that you made this guide, and it can very well help other people who are new to the whole headphone (specially bassy headphones) scene, but making it clear it's your own guide and not a collab work would be good to clear things up for both newcomers and older members. Just like what Mad Lust Envy did for gaming oriented headphones: http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/534479/mad-lust-envy-aka-shin-cz-s-guide-to-headphone-gaming-particularly-with-dolby-headphone

It's all I'm saying.


Edited by Roller - 6/18/11 at 1:15pm
post #120 of 177

Why are these "bassheads" being so defensive and offensive? The OP gave his opinion. There really aren't that many choices that are "audiophile" and "basshead" so I suppose he put whatever he had experience with that he may consider in both categories. We are free to disagree.

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