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My 650's Need A Friend

post #1 of 15
6/12/11 at 9:22pm
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Well I've had my Senn 650's for a few months now and while running them from my PA2V2 (yeah yeah, I know) has gotten me by for now, a dedicated amp that can match the 650's has certainly been on my list. Originally I was planning on getting the Lyr and have read most of the reviews here about it. The one thing that kind of put me off was the high temperatures it ran at. My desk isn't huge with a TV, computer, and xbox already confined in a relatively small space, I was worried that adding the Lyr to the fray would make my desk time quite a toasty experience. I started to see more and more mention of the WA6 and how great it was with the 650's. I liked the smaller footprint given desk space is sort of at a premium but I didn't like the addition cost over the Lyr. My budget is right around the WA6 range so I'm not really considering an upgrade to the WA6-SE.

 

My question is, should I stick to my guns and go for the Lyr or is the WA6 noticeably better and worth the bit of extra cash?


Edited by theoandtheb - 6/12/11 at 9:23pm
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post #2 of 15
6/13/11 at 12:47am

I just brought home a Little Dot MKIII to pair with my 650's and im extremely happy with the sound, its so ......musical. Im done upgrading for a Longgggg time

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post #3 of 15
6/13/11 at 12:59am

I have both amps and I find the Lyr to be better than the WA6 for the 650's. The heat thing with the Lyr is no big deal. 

 

 

 

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post #4 of 15
6/13/11 at 1:12am

They won't be a hug difference, WA6 suppose to be warmer and bit more detailed but should be rather subtle. However WA6 has some fancy tubes on them, they would be nice upgrade, but costly 

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post #5 of 15
6/13/11 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by MythNoob View Post

Im done upgrading for a Longgggg time

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post #6 of 15
6/13/11 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by BrucYSN View Post

They won't be a hug difference, WA6 suppose to be warmer and bit more detailed but should be rather subtle.


So in your opinion, the subtlety between the two might not be worth the extra $170 or so? I also have heard that the Lyr is a better option for upgrading headphones in the future, which will in all likelihood happen. Is this a rare case where Headfi is going to help save money?

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post #7 of 15
6/14/11 at 9:46am

I had a wa2 for my hd650s, very happy with the sound. I also own a ld mk3 which is also very good.

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post #8 of 15
6/14/11 at 12:29pm

A good OTL amp will do just fine ;)

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post #9 of 15
6/14/11 at 7:34pm

I've read good reviews about the Burson 160/D being a good match. It's on my short list. My fully upgraded Mav D1 is not bad either.

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post #10 of 15
6/14/11 at 9:39pm
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What OTL amps would you suggest? Sorry, don't really know too much about them other than the quick google search I just did.

 


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I've read good reviews about the Burson 160/D being a good match. It's on my short list. My fully upgraded Mav D1 is not bad either.


That Burson is just way to far out of my reach. Though an A1/D1 combo looks tempting...anyone heard that combo with the 650's?

 

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post #11 of 15
6/15/11 at 12:28am

It's always the same: WA3, Jade, Bottlehead crack, elekit, Ming-Da MC-84C -07, darkvoice, ...

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post #12 of 15
6/15/11 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by theoandtheb View Post

 

What OTL amps would you suggest? Sorry, don't really know too much about them other than the quick google search I just did.

 



That Burson is just way to far out of my reach. Though an A1/D1 combo looks tempting...anyone heard that combo with the 650's?

 



I have the D1 with upgraded opamps and tube and the HD650 with DHC Molecule cable. The only thing I can think of that would sound better for my listening preferences would be the LCD2 w/upgraded cable and A/B the HD650/LCD2 with my D1 and the 160D. 

 

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post #13 of 15
6/16/11 at 12:34am

I have/had the A1/D1 combo. Both were developed with an HD650 if I'm not mistaken.

The headphone out on the D1 is no good. (Sorry, but it isn't and I had the upgraded version) I still use my D1 as a preamp for my speaker system

The A1 is a whole lot better. I actually never listened to the 650 on them, but I did listen to the HD600 and Beyers and the sound was good. You could maybe shoot attenuated a pm, he used to listen to the A1 with the 650

I have to say that better/more expensive amps will make the 600/650 sound a whole lot better then the A1 can, but it's a good start.

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post #14 of 15
6/16/11 at 5:47am
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Originally Posted by Ultrainferno View Post

I have to say that better/more expensive amps will make the 600/650 sound a whole lot better then the A1 can, but it's a good start.



Ehh, I'm not really looking for "a good start." I generally feel that upgrading is an inevitable scenario that most of us can never seem to totally shake. So I might as well go for the better option instead of wasting my money and time at a lower tier when I know in the back of my mind that I will eventually be buying bigger and better. I think I'll go with my gut and get the Lyr.

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post #15 of 15
6/21/11 at 12:14am

Try the m-stage. I feel that the 650s sound quality can't go any much higher with the m-stage. It's at its best with the m-stage.

 

I tried the burson with the 650s and tried with the $300 m-stage, and suprisingly both sounds very close. M-stage is warmer, grainer, and have slightly more noise, other than that it's perfect for the 650s. Of cuz the burson is better for hd650s, but for the difference in price, m-stage is more value for money.

 

The m-stage does not work well with the hd800, its noise and slightly grainy signature are all revealed in hd800, and it seems it does not have enough energy to give hd800 the sound it wants. It's not clean and just sounds muddy on the hd800. The burson rocks with the hd800L3000.gif.


Edited by lengbibi - 6/21/11 at 12:19am
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