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post #136 of 147
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Originally Posted by canali View Post
 

For those with an iPod Touch player what app do you prefer to convert the FLAC music downloads

to play properly on an ipod touch? Am just experimenting with my new iopd touch....

I have 10 gb left....have a feeling i'll be ditching my 32gb very shortly for something larger.

 

some articles i came across: 

http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/playing-flac-files-on-ios-devices/#:eJUb05LS00RWDA

 

someone one noted to me on here that you the conversion to full flac is lost when converted to apple

so try apps like iflactunes (?) etc....any others?

 

dbpoweramp - I bought the paid version.  One stop shop.  Multi-core conversion.  Fast, efficient, and has codecs to even convert DSD.

https://www.dbpoweramp.com/

post #137 of 147

thanks, Brooko (as always, helpful!)..will check that one out.

 

so a few questions please:

what storage devices are you using and how much storage?

can you use any apps to 'compress' the offline downloads without affecting sound?

 

https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/202401122-What-Is-The-Difference-Between-Normal-High-And-HiFI-

 

based on the above, see my calculations below...i'm just now getting into downloading of files and

exploring alac, flac etc. vs just streaming.

 

i just bought a 32gb ipod touch 6.. using it for spotify and possibly now tidal.

(downloaded 1000 'offline' spotify songs @ 320kps  'extreme' files to ipod

and about i also have about 450 itunes).

 

on spotify extreme seting it seems the mb used is about 2.5mb/min.

(i'd read elsewhere @ 320 extreme it's 2.4mp per min but im just rounding up)

 

but on tidal at flac 1400kps it would come out to about 10mb/min...

so no wonder when I was on pono an album (say, Rush's Permanent Waves) with even

more data according to the pono chart shows that it has a whopping 1.4gb of data.:eek:

 

https://www.ponomusic.com/album/rush-permanent-waves/of:1aa9408c8d96489eaca1dc9324ab94ba

 

so my calculations below of data used on a 64gb ipod with both spotify extreme and tidal flac for downloading

songs to be stored and listened to offline:

 

1gb = 1024 mb

64gb ipod x 1024 mb = 65,536mb storage**

 

NOTES:
i'm just using a 5 min song as an example:

i realize some are shorter...but some songs are a bit longer, too:

so just wanted to hedge my bets a bit.

plus realize with spotify extreme it's 2.4mb/min..just rounded up to 2.5

 

off line file size on spotify extreme @ 320kps download:

5 min song x 2.5mb/min =12.5mb per song

would give me 5242.88 songs on a 64gb ipod**

64gb x 1024mb = 65,536 mb, then divide by 12.5mb = 5242.88 (5 min) songs

 

off line file size on tidal @ 1440kps download

5 min song x 10mb/min =  50mb per song

(again using average song @ 5min)

that gives me 1310.72 songs on a 64gb ipod**

64gb x 1024mb = 65,536mb, then divide by 50mb = 1310.72 (5 min) songs

 

**of course you also have to remove about 5 - 8gb from any

32gb, 64gb, or 128gb storage once you factor in apps, etc.


Edited by canali - 6/2/16 at 6:51am
post #138 of 147
Is Pono domain free?  Can you take your music out of the library?
 
or is it like apple where u can't copy the music out of the library for your own use.

Edited by Indigo Bob - 6/2/16 at 12:25am
post #139 of 147
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Originally Posted by Indigo Bob View Post
 

seems like it's also a matter of adding an SD card to the device from reading on the FAQ.


Edited by canali - 6/2/16 at 7:02am
post #140 of 147

I had to download it into the pono library they give you.  You can copy it out of there, but I don't know if it's allowed.

 

Funny enough, if you upload the pono library it places all your itunes music in there, too.  except here, you can copy all the itunes music out of the pono library onto your desktop  or into a folder and ta-dah...  it is no longer domain restricted.  free.

 

But like i said earlier, i don't know if this is permitted, it seems contrary.  They have terms and conditions that say it is not allowed for someone to copy music (very general)... so if you guys want to look into this go for it yourself.  I have no interest in dealing with pono right now as long as i can use bandcamp or 7digital.  

 

I have no interest in splurging on an ugly looking, inconveniently shaped DAP, when a fiio will more than suffice.

 

Again, i am not sure if pono is domain free or not...  there was nothing on google, so if anybody finds out i and i'm sure others, would be interested to know.

post #141 of 147
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Originally Posted by Indigo Bob View Post
Is Pono domain free?  Can you take your music out of the library?
 
or is it like apple where u can't copy the music out of the library for your own use.

There's no DRM or any other restriction on music you buy from the Pono store.  You can use it on any device...

 

So far as I know, Apple hasn't had DRM on its AAC 256 music for years.  So you should be good either way.

post #142 of 147
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Originally Posted by flatmap View Post
 

There's no DRM or any other restriction on music you buy from the Pono store.  You can use it on any device...

 

So far as I know, Apple hasn't had DRM on its AAC 256 music for years.  So you should be good either way.

Thank you i wasn't sure.

post #143 of 147

Canali -- have you checked out 7Digital for music downloads? I'm not sure if it's in Canada, but they have a big library...very modern (instead of just classic rock and whatnot)...and a lot of stuff is available as singles, not just albums.

 

Also, Flactunes is what I use to convert FLACs to ALAC.

post #144 of 147
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Originally Posted by brent75 View Post

Canali -- have you checked out 7Digital for music downloads? I'm not sure if it's in Canada, but they have a big library...very modern (instead of just classic rock and whatnot)...and a lot of stuff is available as singles, not just albums.

Also, Flactunes is what I use to convert FLACs to ALAC.

thanks..will check it out...and consider listening to you next time on bigger storage capacities lol.
post #145 of 147
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Originally Posted by canali View Post


thanks..will check it out...and consider listening to you next time on bigger storage capacities lol.

Are you within any sort of a return/exchange 30-day window or anything? If you bought new, maybe you can upgrade...I'm sure the store would love to take more of your money.

post #146 of 147
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Originally Posted by brent75 View Post
 

Are you within any sort of a return/exchange 30-day window or anything? If you bought new, maybe you can upgrade...I'm sure the store would love to take more of your money.

 

no bought mine craigslist for US$160 32gb...so was a good deal...new unused.

 

what a diff the dragonfly red does make (esp with the onkyo hf player) on itunes vs streaming, even on tidal.

you can see the bitrate changing from green to red when on itunes.

post #147 of 147
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Originally Posted by Indigo Bob View Post
 

yes pono music is domain free


Edited by bluzeboy - 6/4/16 at 9:29am
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