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post #61 of 88

I'll agree with that. Even if the HD650 had treble of the DT880, it would just sound completely skewed. There is something about the foundation of the sound that gives it the impression of boring. It's very, very smooth, a bit distant, and quite dark. Throw a ton of treble in there, and you seriously have a weird sounding headphone. Perhaps a laid back DT990? Who knows.

 

 

post #62 of 88
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They seem to have a veil that makes them sound muddy and distant and this characteristic didn't seem to go away even when running balanced through some high-end amps.


...while being accustomed to what headphones...
post #63 of 88

The DT990 has a sucked out midrange while the HD650 has decent mids. The DT990 does have a ton of treble though so who knows how it would sound with more treble.

post #64 of 88
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Originally Posted by brasewel View Post

They seem to have a veil that makes them sound muddy and distant and this characteristic didn't seem to go away even when running balanced through some high-end amps.




...while being accustomed to what headphones...


None

 

post #65 of 88
If we're making comparisons against other cans (there are quite a few...) this discussion is useless when referenced with the title of this thread. Stop making generalizations based on comparisons without citing as such!!!
post #66 of 88

Lol relax. I guess I would be comparing it to the LCDs and HE-6.

post #67 of 88
I compared my HD 650s against my LCD-2s once and it was a very depressing time.
Edited by Permagrin - 5/31/11 at 8:37pm
post #68 of 88
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The DT990 does have a ton of treble though so who knows how it would sound with more treble.


Flat out weird?

 

For some reason, the HD650 is the only headphone I've ever had that does NOT respond well to loud volume. I noticed if I turned it up any bit loud (not deafening loud or even slightly painful loud) it would suddenly turn very fatiguing in a super unnatural way. I really don't know what that has to do with it's sound, but I think purposely trying to increase the treble (even by volume) really messes up the sound. I guess you can say it doesn't respond well with EQ.

 

post #69 of 88
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I love my HD 650 but for God sake, put at least some underwear or something on while listening to the music. 

 

i could but but but ...........



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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post

 It's a transient speed or decay issue (or something else?), which I think only goes away (or gets much better) with heaps and heaps of power.  I only ever really like them at meets.  They always seem like a headphone I would really like because of their frequency response, and I buy them but just can't get into them, probably because I've never had an amp capable of giving them life. 

 

Also, I find the HD600 to be just as boring and they have more treble.  So I don't think this "boring" quality has anything to do with treble or frequency response. 


yup its definately speed dynamics related. some would call it bloated slow & ofcos boring while others (errr that would be me) would call it organic fluid & natural. on my rig, i certainly wouldnt call my 650 slow or boring. but as compared to a one trick pony like Grados, one can argue its not as fun. instead i would call my 650 musical. 

 

post #70 of 88

IMO they are anything you want them to be, because they transmit the actual music amazingly well and themselves, do not add or color the music by being overly bright or overly bass heavy out of the box. Depending on the source, amp or gasp... a bit of EQ to tweak to your exact taste if you are into that sort of blasphemy like me, you can make them whatever you want because they are excellent to start with. Just a small, wide Q bump to the bass... as I love deep bass... is all I did to make them perfect to my ears. Sort of like taking a sports car that is excellent in all categories across the board that really does not need tweaking and then you make a small tweak to the programming, up the boost, open up the exhaust for a little better note or whatever... and it makes the car what you want it to be and puts a much larger smile on your face.

 

Jeremy

post #71 of 88

I just want to add my .02 cents here. Isn't an amplifier's job to just amplify the signal with minimal distortion added? Why are amps inducing a sound signature?

post #72 of 88
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I just want to add my .02 cents here. Isn't an amplifier's job to just amplify the signal with minimal distortion added? Why are amps inducing a sound signature?



to correct what some may perceive as flaws (though I think a amp should be as transparent as possible, just my .002)

post #73 of 88
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Supernatural? eek.gif biggrin.gif

 

Yes, the HD800's soundstage (and arguably transparency) is not natural. It's enormous and everyone loves it, but it's definitely artificially expanded, easily evident on tracks that don't have enormous soundstage on any other can, including the T1, yet do with the HD800. It causes a sense of detachment for those particular songs.
 

 

post #74 of 88
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Originally Posted by scottiebabie View Post

yup its definately speed dynamics related. some would call it bloated slow & ofcos boring while others (errr that would be me) would call it organic fluid & natural. on my rig, i certainly wouldnt call my 650 slow or boring. but as compared to a one trick pony like Grados, one can argue its not as fun. instead i would call my 650 musical. 

 



When you mention Grados it makes me think you're actually just talking about frequency response because Grados aren't necessarily fast, but they are very very bright ie lots of treble. 

 

A better comparison is the LCD-2, which is much faster than the HD650, but not really any brighter (though it does extend further) and it is never considered boring. 


Edited by rhythmdevils - 5/31/11 at 10:22pm
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When you mention Grados it makes me think you're actually just talking about frequency response because Grados aren't necessarily fast, but they are very very bright ie lots of treble. 

 

A better comparison is the LCD-2, which is much faster than the HD650, but not really any brighter (though it does extend further) and it is never considered boring. 


I think its unfair to keep comparing the 650's with the LCD2's as they are in a different market. I would expect the LCD2's to be a lot better (faster etc) considering their price.

 

Time will tell though, the same people who are ripping the 650's will soon rip the LCD2's when then next batch of superphones comes out, it's what they do! and its a shame because the most successful headphone from the most successful headphone company in the world is successful for a reason. 

 

thats 3 times I said succesful... no sorry its 4.

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