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Poll Results: Receiver, DAC or Soundcard for movies,music and gaming?

Poll expired: Jun 7, 2011  
  • 100% (5)
    Receiver with integrated DAC
  • 0% (0)
    DAC - use old receiver
  • 0% (0)
    Soundcard
5 Total Votes  
post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

Hello everyone ! :)

 

I'm new to this forum - at least just signed up here (I've read quite a bit already!).

I recently (after reading lots of threads on here) bought the Beyerdynamic DT-990 Pros.

 

Now I want a new overall setup. -> saw that coming :P

 

Right now I'm using a pretty old Kenwood KA-5010 receiver with an integrated amp, a very old technics cd player and along with the rest old Wharfedale Monitor 70's.
The speakers are broken - they crackle in the low frequency regions when turned up a bit.

So I looked arround and found the nuBox 381.

 

I want either a new receiver to go with the new speakers and the new headphones or keep the old one and use a DAC or a soundcard. (I'd like to listen to music, watch movies and play games from my pc with this setup connected)

Since the receiver I use right now is really old I'd probably prefer a new receiver with a digital input (my mainboard has a digital output).

I have no idea what price range to look at for the receiver(/DAC/soundcard), the speakers being at 540 dollars (387 Euros).

Also I don't know if you can find a stereo receiver/amp with a digital input for a reasonable price.

 

 

So here we go with the questions:

 

Receiver, DAC or Soundcard?
-> What price range (maybe even specific suggestions)?

Any other speakers suggestions (should also be bookshelf speakers since I will be using them on my desk)?

 

(don't want to spend more than 800-1000 Euros)


Thanks a lot in advance!!!

 


 

post #2 of 10

Any receiver with a digital input includes the DAC you need to work with the digital out in your computer. For example, even the bottom of the line Denon AVR-1312 has at least one digital coaxial input (as well as one TOSLINK); and you should be able to find something similar from your favorite receiver vendor. However, do check the specs for the DAC in the receiver just to confirm that it will accept a 96 kHz/24 bit data stream (which is not coincidentally the maximum that a DVD-A delivers). Finally, confirm that your software player can direct audio to the digital out. In terms of power output, I am not sure about the ideal receiver for the Nubert nuBox 381s. You might try posting to AVS Forums for suggestions. Sorry I can't be of greater assistance in that regard.

 

One feature that you may want to consider when looking for that receiver is either a pre out or a tape monitor - either could feed a headphone amp . . . should you be so inclined.

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thank you very much !

 

I searched for receivers with digital input yesterday and could only find very few.

Onkyo A-5VL was one of them that I liked. I also like the Kenwood RA-5000 which is quite a bit cheaper too, being at 280 Euros compared to 360 for the Onkyo. For the Denon AVR-1312 you suggested the cheapest offer I could find was 300 Euros. So it's a really good option.

 

Would you guys suggest to spend more on the receiver than that, compared to the cost of the speakers?

 

Also I found some alternatives for the nuBox 381:

Klipsch RB-81
KEF iQ30

(both cost pretty much the same as the Nuberts)

 

So does anyone know any receiver brand that sounds specifically good with one of those speaker brands?

 

(Oh, btw, how do I confirm that my software player can direct audio too the digital out?)

 

 

Edit:  

Those receivers are all for 6 Ohms and up but the Nuberts are 4 Ohm speakers - does that really matter - are there any receivers made for 4 Ohm speakers .. I can't seem to find any with a digital input :(

(I do understand that it could blow the receiver when the speakers have too little impedance but can I really turn them up that loud without blowing my ears first ? xD - hope you understand what I'm trying to get at)


Edited by sc2fan - 5/29/11 at 8:52am
post #4 of 10

The Onkyo receiver line can be surprisingly hard to find on their web site. I knew they were there, and it still took me a minute to find it. Not that the A-5VL isn't great; it is a more traditional stereo receiver that excludes the video stream. I like the versatility of an AV receiver as the older units can move from the living room to other rooms in the house as I upgrade. This way console gaming, watching movies or listening to music are activities that are not confined to just that one room. This may or may not appeal to you; and is just another option to consider. Speaking of which, I am assuming that you have no interest in separates - dedicated DAC, pre-amp (or headphone amp) and amp.

 

As to brand. I've owned Sony, Pioneer and Onkyo (current favorite). My opinion is that Denon and Onkyo are better values than the alternatives; but my opinion is based on features and specs - not actual SQ as I couldn't possibly hope to A/B my way through even a handful of AVRs. Home theater and stereo magazines help, but I often feel that they are just this side of "better than nothing"; as, in the end, your room, speakers and ears probably do make your perception of SQ unique.

 

As to how to distribute you funds. Spend as little as possible on the receiver, and spend as much as possible on the speakers. Build a short list of speakers to audition (the magazines can help with this), and see what you can demo in circumstances that match your home as closely as possible. Unfortunately, at our price points, this probably means buying from a source with a liberal return/exchange policy or playing around with used equipment.

 

I should have thought to ask earlier . . . are you primarily interested in listening in front of a computer screen? If that is the case, then near field monitors (studio monitors) might be the better choice. However, you will need the desk space (or space at the sides of your desk for speaker stands) and an unobstructed line-of-sight from the speakers to your head (you are going to aim them right at your head); and the listening sweet spot is going to be a space just a little bigger than the size of your head. If studio monitors interests you, then the optimal audio chain is pretty much what you would want for your headphones:

Computer > DAC > pre-amp (or headphone amp with line level outs) > headphones/speakers. The problem can be volume control for the speakers (which is why a pre-amp might be a better idea). There was a fairly recent thread here on Head-Fi that might be helpful if this sort of speaker interests you.

post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

Since I already have the headphones for sitting right in front of the screen I would use the speakers for music and movies, when not sitting on the desk. I would also use them occasionally for gaming - right in front of the screen - if I should ever get tired of my headphones.

I also don't need an AV receiver since I don't plan on buying/using a TV at all. And since I only want to use it for the stereo setup it will give me a better performance price ratio (right??). Because I'm not paying extra for any features I don't need.

 

As of now I'd go with the following:

I really like the nuBox 381 and will go with the Onkyo A-5VL with it. Read a lot of good about both of the two.

It would be a total of 680 Euros total (390 for the speakers and 290 for the receiver).

 

Or do you have any other suggestions? (btw - you made me rethink the receiver choice - made me tip towards the Onkyo :) )

 

 

post #6 of 10

I agree . . . no point paying for features you don't need. I think you have done all you can short of getting to listen to your choices together in a store.

 

Just saw your edit to the original post. I never know how to take nominal impedance: it could be an estimate of actual current draw, or it could an attempt to make the speakers seem more "high end". Yes. I am that cynical when it comes to speakers and nominal impedance. As long as you are listening at moderate volumes you should be fine - at least in my experience. I have an old thread bookmarked that may be helpful in this regard. However, if you are the sort to run your stereo with the volume cranked to ear splitting levels for hours on end, then you may want a more robust amp.

post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thank you very much for your help! :)

I'm going to order the Onkyo A-5VL and the Nubert nuBox 381s today. So excited!

post #8 of 10

I'll look forward to hearing your thoughts when the goods arrive. Exciting times!

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

The speakers were delivered today!

They sound amazing! ...I'm not sure yet whether they sound better than the headphones or not - the speakers sound THAT great :)
The 80W of the Onkyo A-5Vl is more than enough power. Turning it up to half way already is way too loud to stand it.

 

Think I've made the correct decision (with some help :P) buying an amplifier with a digital input. But the speakers impress me a lot more than the amp.

 

Thanks again! ... I gotta go ... gotta listen to music ... gotta enjoy those beautiful speakers!!!   (btw watching movies got a LOT better with those speakers as well)

post #10 of 10

Great! Glad you are happy with the results. Unless you really want to, I wouldn't worry about deciding which you prefer - your speakers or your headphones - just enjoy the music. bigsmile_face.gif

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