Cable discussion continued (split from USB cable thread) - Page 3

I wish I could show you  picture of Coffee or Diamond's cable footprint. There are 6 cables, 3 insulation types, and 3 shieldings in these cables for example.

I'm going to try describing this for example as best I can as there are multiple sources for this. It is meant to be scientific. But I'm 18 and am no chemist/engineer.

Cables = 2 (not 1) 10% silver plated cores and 1 smaller cable on the top part of the cable. (It's not labeled as to function.)  (These 3 cores are teflon bundled, and then surround by cotton, which is the most marvelous di-electric in cable choice. It is more flexible and di-electrically agreeable than polymer foam, i.e. the molecules arrange themselves to point towards the core of the cable so that once the cable is charged, (used). This is what people refer to by "burn in." It is the agreeing of di-electric structure to point in a ceartain uniform pattern around the signal cords, as this nullifies the magnetic field each cord creats and provides for less intereference, or (rfi/eri/ jitter, call it what you will).

The cord in the middle of Coffe/ Diamond is the 72V Di-electric Bias system, which is battery powered along with the shield near the outer of the cable just inside the teflon cable. The shield and the core (I'm guessing) function as a north and south pole of sorts if you will.

And the bottom 2 most cables in the cord are ground cords, which are surrounded by kevlar or polymer foam. (They are clearly each individually insulated, but the material is not specifically pointed out. I would guess kevlar, or teflon/polymer foam.

So, in all there are 3 shields: one around Signal/s / upper cable, one copper shielding around the inner circumference of the cable, and a weave of some sort in between the final outer shield of the cable, which is teflon weave.

Oh, and then the soldering is some sort of "weld inter" method I saw somewhere on it. All contacts on both ends are Silver plated for minimum distortion.

I know it sounds vauge but that's the best I can do to describe the actual build of the cable.

All I know is that there are engineers behind this and a lot of work goes into this. They want top notch sound just like you do. On a forum it might sound like bs, and probably more-so if you're already skeptical, but hear them and oh boy!

And yet again another person never tried aftermarket cabling. What a shame. I worked my way up to it. And after personally temporarily buying 1400$ of cables and demoing them all for 3 weeks, and hearing 1500$ more of cables at shops on tested different systems to see what generally works with what, I settled with the Coffee for my situation. I started with stock, then found it lacking to my ears, so I went back to my dealer and asked him how I could improve my sound. Then I moved onto Cinnamon, then Carbon, Then tried some wireworld, then some toslink, fiber optic, and coax cables. After that, I demoed for fun at store to store with their cables just for kicks whenever I was in the neighborhood. And Finally, I ended up with the Diamond and then the Coffee. It has all been a very fun experience for me and I believe that reacabling is one ofthe advantages headphones have over speakers. That's my opinion.

We all know monster cabling is a joke.... Do you know any Audio stores who carry monster? They'll only carry monster if they already have a few brands in shop. Buy any audio cable from a cable-only manufacturer, lo and behold, there is a difference, and it is not distrorting. It is clearer, crisper, and worthwhile investing or at the very least demoing so that you can come to your own conclusions. I personally rarely use headphones with stock. At that point I prefer mid-highish end speakers fed by a sound card.

The battle I've had going on lately is 700$ per monitor Apex speakers vs recabled headphone systems... Now that's a tough battle not for here, but alas, speakers are far more expensive.

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Originally Posted by jackmccabe 

Cable manufacturers are also not allowed to state that their product provides an improvement in sound over a stock cable as they cannot provide any evidence for this.

Even if they did, you would not believe them, there are many who would right it off as mumbo-jumbo anyway, and even if they did benchmark their gear, the majority of people are very skeptical anyway, or might not understand the evidence in laymans terms, so why not just let people hear their cable and make their minds up? If there was no difference, expensive cabling would not exist, and the many, many, high end cable companies out there would not make ends meat, so obviously somebody cares, and some people out there have gone the very short distance to at least try the unconventional cable upgrade approach in their own systems - be it speaker or headphone. Often times again, people are so happy with their recable, they leave head-fi for a short time. This is a very common occurrance.

You've got moon audio, headphile, APS, Wireworld, Audioquest, Cables unlimited, ALO, Cardas, Kimber Cable, Mogami, and the list goes on and on and on. It's just like the opening page on Audioquests website: "Experience the difference." Nobodies interested in the science behind each cable, and they're not trying to explain the science to you. They're interested in how it will improve/change the sound, the presentation, the texture of the wave, lowering the noise floor, ect, in all the variety of possible ways that entails. Cable makers are very passionate. It's hard work differentiating your product and you just let people try it. If they like it and it is legit, like any business, they'll grow, so you cannot possibly discredit that there is no difference. And it is complete rubbish to begin about doing so if you never tried it. Do NOT but about it. Trust and try. It will live up to your expectations. It's a far more profound change than you think. You will NEVER go back to certain cables again. They are important, as much as some would for some reason like to deny the possible (I have no idea why) increase that they pose. And it really is reasonable, again, you may find that cabling brings new life to your system.

N3rdling, I totally agree with you. Those two sentences require much more work than their lettering could possibly stand for. However, I will try. There are very scarce, but refer to my above post as to why - ^^ - there's not much "documentation" on the interwebs.

Kimber Kable poses quite a lot of documentation as to what Ray Kimber did. (I have actually spoken to this man in person, as Kimber Cable HQ is not 6 miles from my house here in Ogden, Utah. 

That is probably the biggest source I know of, but then again I have not really gone looking for source. I just hear the cables. :D And enjoy getting my hands on as many as I can. - A cable whore, of sorts. ;p

Drew Baird @ Moon Audio has done some great cable design/prototyping and research which many of us here on this forum use. He's very popular. :D

Audioquest has some documentation on their website on DBS as they were the inventors of it. (However, I don't know which engineer played the biggest part in it as they have several.) They also have what I felt was a pretty accurate review on their cables they just posted on their homepage. (albeit in German) ( I came to all the same conclusions on their usb line that the German reviewers did. As did a plethora of freinds and acquaintances? What do I need to start a petition?

http://www.pearlaudiovideo.com/blog/company-areas/audioquest-area/audioquest-visit-audioquest-usb-cable-listening/ That's a short sweet review done by an Oregon man on the difference between the audioquest line. My observations are in line with his. If these other people can certainely hear a difference from all around the world, then you certainely can too. It is not a myth. Try it

You're only arguement from a factual point of view, is that "it's digital." Well I'm here to prove as best I can over a forum to you that Audio "Digital" cables do not handle musical number/sine wave/ whatever transfer the same way that digital handles video. Video remains in a digital format. Audio obviously does not. And as you can see, anybody who's heard a half bottomed cable all agree. They all have a voice of their own that CANNOT be downplayed any longer to this HI-FI seeking audience.