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post #91 of 196
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Originally Posted by Ze_Blitzkrieg View Post

 


Not really the point of my post, but. . .

 

What are the primary reason some would modify a Grado?  (Or any headphone for that reason)  I would say that at least 80% of the time or more it is to "enhance" some aspect of the headphone.  What other $200 headphone do you know that comes with cheap vinyl headband, plastic cans that everyone wants to replace, and earpads that many seem to not be able to stand?  When I spend $200+ I honestly feel the package needs to be "complete", thus making any modifications feel less of a necessity and more of purely a personal option. 


...and that is precisely what modifying is, a personal option. People dont modify their Grado's because their lacking. The SR60 for example is highly regarded as one of the best headphones for under $100 you can buy. So for amother $150 or so you can have a sub $250 phone that sonically is way better than the plastic version you started with and cosmetically is unique, persomal, and awesome looking...but you have to be willing to get your hands dirty, pop the hood, and turn some wrenches so to speak.

 

I modded my SR60 after I got my HF2 which was a complete package like the RS1 is a complete package. The bigger picture here is if you improve the enviroment the driver is in, wood versus plastic. You improve the sound quality, and if you take into consideration the tonal characteristics of wood, the same way a luthier does when he custom builds a guitar then you are also customizing the tonal qualities that your trying to get out of your headphone. The bottom line here is your headphone is pretty much nothing more than an air pump. So pretty much all your doing when you modify your headphone is modifying the way that it pumps air, which is one of the reasons for an amp.

 

Grado makes a good product. Any one of their phones right out of the box has plenty of value, the $200 one is generally considered the biggest bang for buck Grado available. If you dont like the Grado house sound though it's sort of a moot point. I on the other hand happen to love both stock Grado's and if it's modded, all the better.

post #92 of 196

I opened the reply panel to type a response. . .but finally just decided that this is. . .

 

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. . .I will always be out numbered here and no matter my opinion I will be told it is wrong.  I feel like this is almost like when people start talking about computers vs consoles. . .I think someone even mentioned that already in this thread somewhere.  I'm tapping out of this thread and going to try and maintain my sanity, else my new amp may become a lack-luster shade of red from my head. . . blink.gif

post #93 of 196
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Originally Posted by KneelJung View Post




...and that is precisely what modifying is, a personal option. People dont modify their Grado's because their lacking. The SR60 for example is highly regarded as one of the best headphones for under $100 you can buy. So for amother $150 or so you can have a sub $250 phone that sonically is way better than the plastic version you started with and cosmetically is unique, persomal, and awesome looking...but you have to be willing to get your hands dirty, pop the hood, and turn some wrenches so to speak.

 

I modded my SR60 after I got my HF2 which was a complete package like the RS1 is a complete package. The bigger picture here is if you improve the enviroment the driver is in, wood versus plastic. You improve the sound quality, and if you take into consideration the tonal characteristics of wood, the same way a luthier does when he custom builds a guitar then you are also customizing the tonal qualities that your trying to get out of your headphone. The bottom line here is your headphone is pretty much nothing more than an air pump. So pretty much all your doing when you modify your headphone is modifying the way that it pumps air, which is one of the reasons for an amp.

 

Grado makes a good product. Any one of their phones right out of the box has plenty of value, the $200 one is generally considered the biggest bang for buck Grado available. If you dont like the Grado house sound though it's sort of a moot point. I on the other hand happen to love both stock Grado's and if it's modded, all the better.



Would you give a strong recommendation for the HF2? The only other option I'm looking at is obtaining the LD1+ and later buying a udac 2 

post #94 of 196

I like my RS-2's becasue of how they song, they have a very go to sound and are nice and warm*ish* not sennheiser warm but a warm tone to them.The looks come in around theird place, second is build.

 

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I like my RS-2's becasue of how they song, they have a very go to sound and are nice and warm*ish* not sennheiser warm but a warm tone to them.The looks come in around theird place, second is build.

 



Yeah, the woodies are definitely warmer, and if you use a tube amp (like yourself) then you can have a pretty nice none  fatiguing presentation, and still maintain all of the Grado detail and sparkle. 

 

I'm one of the those people who has a low-ish tolerance level to shrills and sibilance (played lead guitar for 15yr's) and If I can find the Grado's none fatiguing...!    

 

post #96 of 196

Interesting thoughts here.  I'd like to hear them again one day on a more sympathetic amp and perhaps TDA1541 or vinyl source - to give them every chance at having warmth.  Also maybe I would have to play them very quietly to let my ears open up (they just shut up as if I'm hearing broken glass).  Perhaps this Marmite house-sound (extremely coloured and bright) is why they have a fan base, and obviously why some of us aren't able to appreciate their virtues.

 

Here's a question: do Grado fans appreciate an even-handed 'phone like the Sennheiser HD650 or do they sound dull to you?

post #97 of 196
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Interesting thoughts here.  I'd like to hear them again one day on a more sympathetic amp and perhaps TDA1541 or vinyl source - to give them every chance at having warmth.  Also maybe I would have to play them very quietly to let my ears open up (they just shut up as if I'm hearing broken glass).  Perhaps this Marmite house-sound (extremely coloured and bright) is why they have a fan base, and obviously why some of us aren't able to appreciate their virtues.

 

Here's a question: do Grado fans appreciate an even-handed 'phone like the Sennheiser HD650 or do they sound dull to you?



My 2 main phones are the 650's and Rs1i's I think they complement each other perfectly, I use my Grado's for chamber music and small group Jazz ensembles and 650's for bigger more complex peices (orchestral etc). Although the Grado's can't compete with the 650's soundstage and resolving attributes, they tend to excell more with individual instrument timbres; string quartets for e.g sound eerily real and close.  I find they provide a more intimate experience and put you closer to the instruments, as opposed to a few rows back with the Senn's.  

 

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post #100 of 196
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Here's a question: do Grado fans appreciate an even-handed 'phone like the Sennheiser HD650 or do they sound dull to you?


I wish I had the HD-650s so I could answer the question.  However, I do have the HD-555 Sennheisers.  To me, that model doesn't sound "dull" - just more neutral.  Some of the details that the Grados provide don't come through with the Sennheisers, but the Sennheiser still isn't bad.  Though, what I've stated should only be taken with a grain of salt, because I'm sure the HD-555 vs. the HD-650 are probably very different.

 

However, the other evening, I did receive my FiiO E11 portable amplifier.  I love have my Grado sound has changed (for the better) with this little amp.  The Grados are not more detailed with the amp, but the bass and lower end is brought up to par, making the Grado really sound like a headphone that covers the frequency spectrum.

 

In regards to my Sennheiser HD-555 headphones, I use them in my bedroom.  They are very comfortable to utilize as I use when I go to sleep.  The Grados didn't work so well since their on-ear configuration didn't keep positioned properly.  But, the 555s stay in place and I like them.
 

 

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... the point of the original post that you quoted from me last time was the reason for their being more pictures out there of Grado's when compared to other headphones. . .


No it wasn't. The point of my post was the tactile experience that you have with the RS and GS which come with wood, leather and steel. You were talking about SR mods. I don't see a connection here because the SR are entirely plastic.

 

post #102 of 196
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Originally Posted by Simonty View Post

Here's a question: do Grado fans appreciate an even-handed 'phone like the Sennheiser HD650 or do they sound dull to you?


The HD 650 seem to sound dull, if you put them on immediately after the RS1. Sennheiser has less bright treble and the sound seems to be less shiny and sparkling because of this (although, if you take out the foam that covers the speakers, it becomes better).

But the Sennheisers have different qualities. The stage and the impression of space you get with them does not compare a bit with the RS1.The RS feel claustrophobic compared to the HD 650. The experience of an orchestra for example or the size of an open air concert is much better put across by the HDs.

 


Edited by mironathetin - 5/27/11 at 10:38am
post #103 of 196
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

My 2 main phones are the 650's and Rs1i's I think they complement each other perfectly, I use my Grado's for chamber music and small group Jazz ensembles and 650's for bigger more complex peices (orchestral etc). Although the Grado's can't compete with the 650's soundstage and resolving attributes, they tend to excell more with individual instrument timbres; string quartets for e.g sound eerily real and close.  I find they provide a more intimate experience and put you closer to the instruments, as opposed to a few rows back with the Senn's.  

 


This is exactly my experience with RS1s as well. They are very underrated for small group ensembles like chamber music and (especially acoustic) jazz. I paired my Grados with HD650s for a long time, but even now that I've moved to T1s and LCD-2s, I often pull out the RS1s for string quartets and acoustic jazz.

 

post #104 of 196

 

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Originally Posted by mironathetin View Post

No it wasn't. The point of my post was the tactile experience that you have with the RS and GS which come with wood, leather and steel. You were talking about SR mods. I don't see a connection here because the SR are entirely plastic.

 


Let me change one word here to hopefully clear things up for you. . .


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Originally Posted by Ze_Blitzkrieg View Post

... the point of the MY original post that you quoted from me last time was the reason for their being more pictures out there of Grado's when compared to other headphones. . .

 

 

 


Also please refer to post #92 above.

 

 

 

And finally, for my current thoughts:

 

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Edited by Ze_Blitzkrieg - 5/27/11 at 10:48am
post #105 of 196
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Originally Posted by Simonty View Post

Interesting thoughts here.  I'd like to hear them again one day on a more sympathetic amp and perhaps TDA1541 or vinyl source - to give them every chance at having warmth.  Also maybe I would have to play them very quietly to let my ears open up (they just shut up as if I'm hearing broken glass).  Perhaps this Marmite house-sound (extremely coloured and bright) is why they have a fan base, and obviously why some of us aren't able to appreciate their virtues.

 

Here's a question: do Grado fans appreciate an even-handed 'phone like the Sennheiser HD650 or do they sound dull to you?

....they are pretty colored  and less detailed than most headphones, don't get me wrong I liked them but they are not very  even handed.
 

 

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