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post #181 of 196
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Wow how many posts do I have? Anyway I find this post Insulting to others who do not use Grados.

 

Flame On? :tongue_smile:

 

 

this whole thread is full of flaming.

post #182 of 196
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Hey, no offence meant to anyone ... just a fairly tongue-in-cheek observation that maybe people who like Grado on this forum don't seem too concerned with how technically 'good' (or otherwise) they might be ... they just love the way they make music sound ...

 

That's right. I just can't understand why the thread has attracted so many people who didn't care for their sound.  To me, it's all about the music - connecting to the music and enjoying it.  I'm kind of reluctant lately to share my opinions on various headphones with those who are looking for something to fit their needs.  I've taken time to gather opinions in the past to see if I should head in a particual direction.  I found that some of those opinions didn't always mean much to what I experienced with such a product or accepted it.  Sure, the process of learning - via trial and error, as well as buying & selling or buying and returning did mean more cost on my end, but I was then capable to allow my ears to determine what I would like best.

post #183 of 196
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That's right. I just can't understand why the thread has attracted so many people who didn't care for their sound.  To me, it's all about the music - connecting to the music and enjoying it.  I'm kind of reluctant lately to share my opinions on various headphones with those who are looking for something to fit their needs.  I've taken time to gather opinions in the past to see if I should head in a particual direction.  I found that some of those opinions didn't always mean much to what I experienced with such a product or accepted it.  Sure, the process of learning - via trial and error, as well as buying & selling or buying and returning did mean more cost on my end, but I was then capable to allow my ears to determine what I would like best.

 

Me, too.  Ultimately, the most effective route was trial and error for me as well.  I've taken a strong liking to headphones that I was certain that I would not like at all based on a large pool of diverse impressions posted on head-fi and a few other places around the web.  Imperfect quality control on the manufacturers' part throw us all off in addition to everyone's ears and minds being different to make matters worse.  =X

 

post #184 of 196
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beautiful! love the headphone stand too. where'd you get it? i've been meaning to get one. currently my magnums just hang on a lamp on my desk. what wood are those cups? what's inside of em? (driver...what type of grado..)

 

MS1. Cocobolo wood cups and aluminium grills from Martin Custom Audio. Fiio HS1 stand. 

 

My first "Grado" experience (even though they are Alessandro.. shhh) and I still LOVE them.

 

They are the Porsche in my collection... Only gets driven on special occasions when I'm in the mood.

post #185 of 196
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That's right. I just can't understand why the thread has attracted so many people who didn't care for their sound.  To me, it's all about the music - connecting to the music and enjoying it.  I'm kind of reluctant lately to share my opinions on various headphones with those who are looking for something to fit their needs.  I've taken time to gather opinions in the past to see if I should head in a particual direction.  I found that some of those opinions didn't always mean much to what I experienced with such a product or accepted it.  Sure, the process of learning - via trial and error, as well as buying

Me, too.  Ultimately, the most effective route was trial and error for me as well.  I've taken a strong liking to headphones that I was certain that I would not like at all based on a large pool of diverse impressions posted on head-fi and a few other places around the web.  Imperfect quality control on the manufacturers' part throw us all off in addition to everyone's ears and minds being different to make matters worse.  =X



That is cortect. Unfortunately Beyer is the biggest offender for their inconsistency on headphone driver response.
post #186 of 196
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That is cortect. Unfortunately Beyer is the biggest offender for their inconsistency on headphone driver response.

 

Really? How so?

post #187 of 196
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Really? How so?

 

Buy a ton of the exact same model then see for yourself.

post #188 of 196
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That is cortect. Unfortunately Beyer is the biggest offender for their inconsistency on headphone driver response.

 

Really? How so?

 

Look at purrin's measurements on Beyer and his comments. It's rather widely known issue. We have no idea whether they have improved since then tho.

As far as I know, unlike Focal and Audeze, Beyer really never admitted it has issues on QC nor any indications trying to improve QC.

post #189 of 196

lol - maybe that's why my opinion of the DT770 is different from most peoples, maybe mine are strongly affected by QC issues. 

post #190 of 196
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lol - maybe that's why my opinion of the DT770 is different from most peoples, maybe mine are strongly affected by QC issues. 

 

Issues are mostly on new tesla headphones. As far as I know old ones are ok in that regard.

post #191 of 196

Although i took 'em back, and that the sound wasn't for me, i wouldn't at all say i hated them. The sounded fine and i can appreciate why people will swear by them. I don't think this is a i-hate-grados thread at all, just that some people prefer other brands. Grado wasn't for me, but yes, they are a very fine quality headphone - no doubt!

post #192 of 196
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Originally Posted by Ze_Blitzkrieg View Post

No amp will make a night a day difference... It can help slightly, but for the majority of headphones I would only say somewhere around 0-15% increase in audio quality (depending in headphone, price range, synergy, etc... plethora of variables, but I feel 15% to be generous). Obviously opinions will vary, but sometimes (often?) amplification can get blown it of proportion around here (pun intended tongue.gif). Does it help? Yes... But it's marginal, not life changing.

 

I think it is not right to generalize in this point. What he writes fits to my experience with Grados only. All Grado hps I heard did barely scale with amplification.

It is totally wrong for some Sennheiser headphones. Maybe due to the different impedance/damping.

0-15% is a personal estimate and more or less tells nothing. It is very hard to tell a magnitude for this case. Even 'barely audible' (my impression for Grados) and 'clear improvement' are extremely subjective.  


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post #193 of 196
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I think it is not right to generalize in this point. What he writes fits to my experience with Grados only. All Grado hps I heard did barely scale with amplification.

It is totally wrong for some Sennheiser headphones. Maybe due to the different impedance/damping.

0-15% is a personal estimate and more or less tells nothing. It is very hard to tell a magnitude for this case. Even 'barely audible' (my impression for Grados) and 'clear improvement' are extremely subjective.  

 

 

yeah we were talking about Grados. obviously. oh yeah the 800 totally doesn't benefit from amplification lol!

post #194 of 196

The 80's were the first 'real' pair oh headphones I had, just blown away by the sound that came out of these odd looking things that look like they came from some 1950's B Sci-Fi movie. Before that it was an endless stream of crappy jobbies from Argos. These were real hi-fi, that's where your addiction begins.

post #195 of 196

This has been a stranger thread than most. Here's a facetious way of putting it: it started with a rhetorical question that got relatively little pushback, so little that everyone was ready to call it a day. There followed a steady series of posts that quietly answered the question. The response was to shift the criticism to build and comfort, to the modding habits of owners, to cost. . . . All to no avail.

 

My experience with Grados is that they handle treble really well, whether electric guitar, female voice (or countertenors), or baroque organ. Dave Mustaine's solos sound fantastic and I use my Grados for Bach's organ pieces. As to comfort, Grados are so good at what they do that when my pads are drying out after I wash them, I've listened without pads.

 

If you don't like them, that also makes perfect sense. For example, I'm sure some listeners don't like my favorite company, AKG, because the bass is lacking on most of their products, but others love them for their openness and clarity. Likewise, I enjoy Grados for what they're good at, but I understand why others hate them for what they're bad at. Maybe we can all agree about that.

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