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post #601 of 733
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For me it happens also with mp3s in loudly recorded tracks depending on the encoder used (the ones exported directly with cubase tends to have that issue) but you can also simply use WASAPI, then you avoid it as well, no matter mp3 or flac. That's one of the reasons I recommend to use WASAPI output as it handles loud recordings fine.

 

There's been those cases (doesn't have to have the DH config enabled) where DirectSound would be aprox 25%-35% more silent than when using WASAPI, it's like very big difference. xD


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/3/13 at 9:19pm
post #602 of 733
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

For me it happens also with mp3s in loudly recorded tracks depending on the encoder used (the ones exported directly with cubase tends to have that issue) but you can also simply use WASAPI, then you avoid it as well, no matter mp3 or flac. That's one of the reasons I recommend to use WASAPI output as it handles loud recordings fine.

 

There's been those cases (doesn't have to have the DH config enabled) where DirectSound would be aprox 25%-35% more silent than when using WASAPI, it's like very big difference. xD


Interesting this particular rig is an XP box running ASIO. I'll have to pop out the Win7 machine and see if it still exhibits the same issue.

post #603 of 733

Could it be sampling rates problem? Because dolby only support 48kHz,

Try resampling that FLAC file and see if something changes

post #604 of 733
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Originally Posted by FrequencyBlue View Post

Could it be sampling rates problem? Because dolby only support 48kHz,

Try resampling that FLAC file and see if something changes

 

If that was the problem it wouldn't even play any sound. :P 

 

Seriously though the "MP3 compression" problem isn't limited to this particular config and can also be heard with it off in some cases but this is very rare and usually only happens with "non-professionally" mastered recordings. Say hardstyle scene a lot of producers master their stuff themselves and some may go overly aggressive on the volume levels (maybe some limiter plugins & compression plugins exaggerates the effect too?) and then mixed with Cubase odd MP3 encoder, the end result is a file that sounds like some compression would be going on when playing in foobar2000. It's not only Cubase that causes it, it's more down to specific versions of MP3 encoders, with some it's worse than others.

 

ODDLY ENOUGH, this seems to also be a problem limited to specific player(s), happens with foobar2000 at the very least. Uploading and playing the same file on YouTube usually sounds "fine" though and plays at the meant-to-be volume levels without any varieties in volume / overly aggressive compression going on.

 

Using WASAPI in foobar2000 the issue is never present though, it always plays loud & clear no matter how loudly it's been mastered.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/5/13 at 12:25am
post #605 of 733

Hi RPGWiZaRD,

 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

It's all subjective matter. But I am quite confident recommending even LCD-2/3 or HD800 users at least give it a try. I remember at least one LCD-2 user commenting he liked the sound with this config. But in the end it's more about personal tastes.

 

 

I've only just this evening downloaded and installed your "forward" package and I'm really surprised by how "clean" it sounds.  I've got my original, unprocessed Foobar2000 installed to one "portable installation" folder and yours installed to a different one - with two shortcuts on my desktop, so that I can exit out of one and launch the other at will, swapping back and forth to hear the same WAV files - using WASAPI event mode.

 

I am of that camp that says, "Don't use any processing at all" - but I have to say, a very compelling conversion experience is underway here!  

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Thanks for the obvious hard work and for sharing it with us!  I wouldn't have the patience to work through all of those settings, nor the ear that you must have.  It really sounds great with my LCD-2.  

 

Mike

 

 

WAV on SD Cards > Win 7 > RPGWiZaRD Foobar w/WASAPI > Moon Audio Blue Dragon USB Cable > CEntrance DACMini CX > Burson Soloist > Toxic Cables Silver Poison > Audeze LCD-2 Rev. 1

post #606 of 733
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

Hi RPGWiZaRD,


I've only just this evening downloaded and installed your "forward" package and I'm really surprised by how "clean" it sounds.  I've got my original, unprocessed Foobar2000 installed to one "portable installation" folder and yours installed to a different one - with two shortcuts on my desktop, so that I can exit out of one and launch the other at will, swapping back and forth to hear the same WAV files - using WASAPI event mode.

I am of that camp that says, "Don't use any processing at all" - but I have to say, a very compelling conversion experience is underway here!  

 
beerchug.gif

Thanks for the obvious hard work and for sharing it with us!  I wouldn't have the patience to work through all of those settings, nor the ear that you must have.  It really sounds great with my LCD-2.  

Mike


WAV on SD Cards > Win 7 > RPGWiZaRD Foobar w/WASAPI > Moon Audio Blue Dragon USB Cable > CEntrance DACMini CX > Burson Soloist > Toxic Cables Silver Poison > Audeze LCD-2 Rev. 1
I underwent the same experience myself with the T1's and its very fun to listen to this setup. Very musical and makes "direct pure" sound boring lol. The T1's just sing with this foobar config.
post #607 of 733
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I underwent the same experience myself with the T1's and its very fun to listen to this setup. Very musical and makes "direct pure" sound boring lol. The T1's just sing with this foobar config.

 

OK, I've donned the T1, and you're right - the intrinsically superior soundstage of the T1 makes the RPGWiZaRD package all the more impressive!

 

WAV on SD Cards > Win 7 > RPGWiZaRD Foobar w/WASAPI > Moon Audio Blue Dragon USB Cable > CEntrance DACMini CX > Burson Soloist > Toxic Cables Silver Poison > Beyerdyamic T1

 

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Mike

post #608 of 733

By the way, Brunk - it was your recent post on the T1 thread that led me here.   I had somehow never heard of RPGWiZaRD's work.

 

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post #609 of 733
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A much better way to make direct comparisons which I do on a daily basis so that I hear the instant change (much better!) is simply going to FILE -> PREFERENCES -> PLAYBACK -> DSP MANAGER and in the DSP chain preset dropdown list, switch between the configs there, the default unmodified foobar is "custom: stock foobar2000" and the "forward" config should be named "Default: Balanced (Forward)" and the laid-back config "Default: Balanced (Laid-back)". So that's the quickest and best way to do "instant-change" comparisons. :D Do note the VST plugin loader have some bugs so that it will crash if you keep loading configs with a VST plugin used (in this case electri-q) multiple times in a row. So to avoid that happening, always switch between the stock foobar2000 config before switching to one of the other ones.

 

Do check out the laid-back config too, while I'm personally a fan of a slightly more "in-your-face" soundstage, try for example classical with the laid-back one, it gives some quite nice soundstaging right there. :) The laid-back config is based on Free Surround plugin and forward config on Channel Mixer, I felt they do best at these kinds of sound so therefore I thought I needed two configs because they offer a different signature, not better or worse, just different and then it's down to personal taste and what kind of music you listen to that determines what's best.

 

Oh and thanks guys for providing feedback, always interesting to read feedback from people with such expensive setups haha. xD And yes "forward" one is meant to be engaging and involving to listen to while the goal of the laid-back is to provide an even more impressive soundstage and positioning and more relaxed listening due to not having such "in-your-face" sound, a sound signature best fitting with classical music while the forward fits best with say pop, rock but I'd also say acoustic music with guitars especially sounds great with it as the guitar pops out a little and I've tuned it so that all those microdetails is preserved, at least that's what I've tried to. :)


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/6/13 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

A much better way to make direct comparisons which I do on a daily basis so that I hear the instant change (much better!) is simply going to FILE -> PREFERENCES -> PLAYBACK -> DSP MANAGER and in the DSP chain preset dropdown list, switch between the configs there, the default unmodified foobar is "custom: stock foobar2000" and the "forward" config should be named "Default: Balanced (Forward)" and the laid-back config "Default: Balanced (Laid-back)". So that's the quickest and best way to do "instant-change" comparisons. :D Do note the VST plugin loader have some bugs so that it will crash if you keep loading configs with a VST plugin used (in this case electri-q) multiple times in a row. So to avoid that happening, always switch between the stock foobar2000 config before switching to one of the other ones.

 

Do check out the laid-back config too, while I'm personally a fan of a slightly more "in-your-face" soundstage, try for example classical with the laid-back one, it gives some quite nice soundstaging right there. :) The laid-back config is based on Free Surround plugin and forward config on Channel Mixer, I felt they do best at these kinds of sound so therefore I thought I needed two configs because they offer a different signature, not better or worse, just different and then it's down to personal taste and what kind of music you listen to that determines what's best.

 

Oh and thanks guys for providing feedback, always interesting to read feedback from people with such expensive setups haha. xD And yes "forward" one is meant to be engaging and involving to listen to while the goal of the laid-back is to provide an even more impressive soundstage and positioning and more relaxed listening due to not having such "in-your-face" sound, a sound signature best fitting with classical music while the forward fits best with say pop, rock but I'd also say acoustic music with guitars especially sounds great with it as the guitar pops out a little and I've tuned it so that all those microdetails is preserved, at least that's what I've tried to. :)

Hmm. This is news to me. In config (B) I have a heap of vst's which I continuously switch between. Just about every possible sound stage plugin in existence:) I have never had the crash even when stacking multiple effects. Now I do not use electri q in this config and it is on XP SP3 under ASIO so perhaps that has something to do with it.

post #611 of 733
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

Hmm. This is news to me. In config (B) I have a heap of vst's which I continuously switch between. Just about every possible sound stage plugin in existence:) I have never had the crash even when stacking multiple effects. Now I do not use electri q in this config and it is on XP SP3 under ASIO so perhaps that has something to do with it.

 

Well maybe you're using the other VST loader which has an icon in the taskbar. I'm using the foobar2000 VST plugin loader which is more built-in foobar2000 interface, at least this one has problems with electri-q, well it could only be an issue with Electri-Q plugin probably as this VST EQ is quite buggy according to the author of the VST plugin loader I've read in the forums. It will also crash when trying to save EQ settings inside Electri-Q when loaded in the foobar2000 config, why you have to use the DSP chain preset dropdownbox instead if wanting to save your configs.

 

IMO you NEED to use the EQ settings in order to get a good sound with dolby headphone, without the EQ settings the Dolby Plugin will have added a bass boost + treble range decrease so it sounds overly muffled, these settings are just meant to restore the stock foobar2000 balance roughly, so while it uses EQing, I concider it more like "flat" EQless sound with the EQ activated. But then if you like to use another EQ or use your personalized EQ settings for your headphones that's a different story. :) But even then you should have in mind the about 1.5dB bass boost and 1dB or so treblerange decrease that DH plugin adds.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/7/13 at 3:10am
post #612 of 733
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

OK, I've donned the T1, and you're right - the intrinsically superior soundstage of the T1 makes the RPGWiZaRD package all the more impressive!

WAV on SD Cards > Win 7 > RPGWiZaRD Foobar w/WASAPI > Moon Audio Blue Dragon USB Cable > CEntrance DACMini CX > Burson Soloist > Toxic Cables Silver Poison > Beyerdyamic T1


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Mike
Haha glad you like it, i know i certainly do! biggrin.gif
post #613 of 733

I should have clarified that. Yes it is the taskbar VST manager (Still you can load the vst's into the Foobar dsp window and run from there). On the DH config, I never load or unload anything, your config works quite well without my interference so it stays untouched.
 

post #614 of 733
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

A much better way to make direct comparisons which I do on a daily basis so that I hear the instant change (much better!) is simply going to FILE -> PREFERENCES -> PLAYBACK -> DSP MANAGER and in the DSP chain preset dropdown list, switch between the configs there,

 

 I would suggest to add the DSPs to the main foobar window (right click on the position and choose the wanted shortcut), so you don't have to go to FILE -> PREFERENCES ->   PLAYBACK -> DSP MANAGER  all the time .   I can open with "dsp1" to "dsp7"  all dsp that are used separately and with the other shortcuts I can't change between different DSP configurations.

 

 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

A much better way to make direct comparisons which I do on a daily basis so that I hear the instant change (much better!) is simply going to FILE -> PREFERENCES -> PLAYBACK -> DSP MANAGER and in the DSP chain preset dropdown list, switch between the configs there,

 

 I would suggest to add the DSPs to the main foobar window (right click on the position and choose the wanted shortcut), so you don't have to go to FILE -> PREFERENCES ->   PLAYBACK -> DSP MANAGER  all the time .   I can open with "dsp1" to "dsp7"  all dsp that are used separately and with the other shortcuts I can't change between different DSP configurations.

 

 

 

Wow..you foobar skin is too good...where did you download from?

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