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post #586 of 729

OK so far so good. I am quite curious if anyone has listened to any binaural recordings with this config and what your opinions are if you have.
 

post #587 of 729
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Originally Posted by Hutnicks View Post

OK so far so good. I am quite curious if anyone has listened to any binaural recordings with this config and what your opinions are if you have.

 

I've tested and no this config doesn't have anything to offer for binaural recordings, they are working best without any additional processings.

post #588 of 729

Good. Thats pretty much what I found as well. Almost sounds like they are mixed into pure stereo.
 

post #589 of 729

Hello to the OP,

I have a question. I really love this thread and have been using this config with my ATH-M50 and Asus Xonar Essence STX for more than a year now. However, I am getting an upgrade soon and would like to know whether you would recommend using it along with Hifiman HE-400 headphones (as far as I understand you have tried them out bigsmile_face.gif) and quality DAC/amp combo, such as O2/ODAC? Would it hinder the SQ of the phones or make it sound weird in any possible way?


Edited by InCreD1Ble - 2/27/13 at 3:30pm
post #590 of 729
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Originally Posted by InCreD1Ble View Post

Hello to the OP,

I have a question. I really love this thread and have been using this config with my ATH-M50 and Asus Xonar Essence STX for more than a year now. However, I am getting an upgrade soon and would like to know whether you would recommend using it along with Hifiman HE-400 headphones (as far as I understand you have tried them out bigsmile_face.gif) and quality DAC/amp combo, such as O2/ODAC? Would it hinder the SQ of the phones or make it sound weird in any possible way?

 

It's all subjective matter. But I am quite confident recommending even LCD-2/3 or HD800 users at least give it a try. I remember at least one LCD-2 user commenting he liked the sound with this config. But in the end it's more about personal tastes.

 

I've been tweaking the config slightly but since I'm so busy with the hardstyle scene I don't seem to have time checking it with "normal" music genres. Determining if the very tiny changes are better or not by now is really requiring a lot of testing to get any kind of confidence whether the changes are welcome or not. I mean I even hear slightly differently during some days or depending how tired I am etc why it's not very easy. ^^ But in the hardstyle scene I often master the tracks and I sometimes apply the config to the tracks if it fits the recording before going to my youtube channel and well when mastering at which I have to do very critical listen I'm often very satisfied how extremely close stock foobar2000 and this config is in balance/tonality except the change in soundstage. 

What I'd personally be interested in exploring yet with it, is whether how great a limiter or possibly a compressor with the most transparent kind I could possibly find in the sense, avoid LOUDLY mastered recordings from causing clipping issues (while I don't hear any whatsoever in like 98%+ of common genres, it becomes slightly more so present in hardstyle where recordings can be literally brickwalled and matter of 0.1dB away from producing audible clipping (well measurable clipping is already off the scale in these kinds of tracks). Would be nice for myself at the very least to be able to find a config I won't have to worry how loudly it's mastered that it wouldn't introduce any at all further clipping issues than what's already there. Take note I could of course simply lower the volume levels but I've found that I have to do a drastic volume change in the affected tracks and make them much more silent than stock foobar2000 to eliminate 100% the clipping while there's no problems with typically mastered recordings. If any1 got any suggestions on that topic I'm all ears.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/28/13 at 3:40am
post #591 of 729

Thanks for the response!

And for the clipping issue, I have thought about it and the only way I imagine fixing it would be an intelligent limiter which would ignore any extra gain from the EQ in those bands where clipping already occurs? That's just an assumption though, I'm no expert :D.


Edited by InCreD1Ble - 2/28/13 at 8:32am
post #592 of 729

Don't know if they are still available but I was recomended this as a limiter way back when. My need disappeared so I never tried it out.

 

http://www.x-buz.com/BuzMaxi3.html
 

post #593 of 729

Looks very promising, let's wait for the op to take a look at it biggrin.gif


Edited by InCreD1Ble - 2/28/13 at 1:41pm
post #594 of 729
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Actually I remember testing that one but wasn't quite pleased with the results, I also tried TLS Maximizer which is another very recommended/highly regarded limiter but not quite satisfied with that either so don't think there's any limiters which will do the job good enough without hurting the sonical performance in one way or another. Typically the limiters tend to hurt soundstage slightly and make everything more crammed and possibly less dynamic which isn't a welcomed aspect for this config but hey that's pretty much the nature of limiters in the first place I suppose. :P

 

TLS Maximizer does a fairly good job without hurting soundstage though as it won't make it overly "in-your-face" sounding and you can tweak mids and highs and lows volume separately if desired etc and it benefits by a very slight reduction in mids/highs (talking like 0.4 - 0.7dB or so only to avoid that "In-your-face" sound) but yea I missed solid taut punchiness or definition to bassnotes especially with it versus without it.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/28/13 at 3:24pm
post #595 of 729

Yes I do not think you can find any kind of limiter which does not affect the overall soundstage. The only thing that might work would be to read ahead the entire file then adjust the volume below max peak. It would be an interesting software project to tackle from a technical standpoint.
 

post #596 of 729

I'm still a tad confused how this config (especially its surround emulation) would effect the sound stage of the headphones.

If a pair of headphones has a good sound stage, should you leave it unaltered? Could software surround emulators like Dolby possibly have any effects on the natural sound stage of the headphones, making it sound unnatural, or they are completely two different things and I'm mistaking something?

post #597 of 729
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With this config the soundstaging moves around your head more like so you're more placed in the center while I found without it I tend to have a soundstage that is like slightly in front of me or in your head sounding depending on headphone etc. Well actually I'd put it more like a half-circle, it doesn't do much "behind-your-head" kind of positioning but if it did, music would probably sound weird anyway. xD

 

Here's a quick illustration of a typical percieved soundstage scenario without the dolby config (red color) and then the green shape represents roughly the percieved soundstage with the DH config. Due to the soundstage moving a bit more around your head it becomes easier to also position sounds as the offset of the soundstage is more realisticly positioned versus your head. The instruments/different sounds also creates more space between them as they move further from each other.

 


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 3/1/13 at 1:33pm
post #598 of 729
Gonna have to give this a try, looks really interesting.
post #599 of 729

Very nice explanation, thank you smile.gif

post #600 of 729

Here's a bit of a curiosity. Just playing a FLAC and got the infamous compression burbling effect so common in MP3 files. Popped it over to my non dolby hp config and it sounds fine. Anyone else encounter this. This is the only FLAC I've had this experience with.
 

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