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post #46 of 56

Old HD580 with brass ring in the magnet assembly and black paper filter. Later versions have black synthetic (nylon?) and fine metal weave filter respectively. Some listeners claim sonic differences. This filter balances the ratio of direct and indirect (reflected, delayed) sound and has a crucial influence on airiness and clarity.

 

HD580 driver old.jpg

 

One of the reasons Sennheiser changed material was that it was affected by humidity. As you can see the paper filter is sagging to the right. Apparently there were probelms keeping the synthetic weave stretched, too, so Sennheiser finally settled on metal:

 

"A specially developed damping element, made from fine acoustic metal mesh, ensures a precise damping over the entire diaphragm surface, highly constant in all climates."

 

My HD580 has a wonderfully balanced sound through the frequency spectrum, with fine stereo depth and width. There is a hint of dynamic politeness though, that I need to define with further amp trials.

post #47 of 56
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I have what looks like the balk fabric(nylon?) and it's not quite as sagged as yours appears to be. There were two different versions of the AKG k240DF that I know of....one had paper covering the holes and one has fabric. I had both but oouldn't discern much difference.....and what difference there was could have been due to slightly different condition of the pads....or something else. I imagine that different amps or sources would have a much greater effect on the sound than the 'filter', though I suppose I could be mistaken, not having heard the metalic 'silver' filter

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Originally Posted by MDR30 View Post

Old HD580 with brass ring in the magnet assembly and black paper filter. Later versions have black synthetic (nylon?) and fine metal weave filter respectively. Some listeners claim sonic differences. This filter balances the ratio of direct and indirect (reflected, delayed) sound and has a crucial influence on airiness and clarity.

 

HD580 driver old.jpg

 

One of the reasons Sennheiser changed material was that it was affected by humidity. As you can see the paper filter is sagging to the right. Apparently there were probelms keeping the synthetic weave stretched, too, so Sennheiser finally settled on metal:

 

"A specially developed damping element, made from fine acoustic metal mesh, ensures a precise damping over the entire diaphragm surface, highly constant in all climates."

 

My HD580 has a wonderfully balanced sound through the frequency spectrum, with fine stereo depth and width. There is a hint of dynamic politeness though, that I need to define with further amp trials.



 


Edited by lejaz - 5/29/11 at 3:34pm
post #48 of 56

Remove the foam infront and on the back of the drivers and you'll have a amazing low end, replacing the cable also gives you better soundstage and details.

post #49 of 56
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Remove the foam infront and on the back of the drivers and you'll have a amazing low end, replacing the cable also gives you better soundstage and details.


Agreed, I like them way better after the foam mod.  Plus maybe I'm just ocd but I would rather not have to use an adapter to plus into a 1/4 jack.  Buying the HD650 cable is worth it alone for that. 

 

post #50 of 56
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Do you remove the foam and just leave the driver totally unprotected? Not that I'm ready to try the mod yet.  I've read a lot about the so-called Sennheiser 'veil', but even if it's true, I don't find it takes away from the enjoyment of the music. I think that often times the details are presented, but they're not shoved quite as forward with the senns as with the 70X for instance. Plus, different details are emphasized with the 580 than are emphasized with the AKG's. Never heard 'Yesterday' by the Beatles sound so good!

post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by reiserFS View Post

Remove the foam infront and on the back of the drivers and you'll have a amazing low end, replacing the cable also gives you better soundstage and details.



Yup, you definitely want to do this! I live in an arid climate so I don't have to worry about moisture and I know Sennheiser will take care of me if I ever need to swing a repair on these!

 

They won't remove the Sennheiser veil, only a recable does that for me I feel, my ears are different and I won't say that is the end-all cure, but I do rather enjoy them more than I used to!

 

Do not ever sell these. They're seriously underrated and they're something of a collectible now! These were the cans to get me to get into serious audiophilia!

post #52 of 56
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Originally Posted by lejaz View Post

Do you remove the foam and just leave the driver totally unprotected? Not that I'm ready to try the mod yet.  I've read a lot about the so-called Sennheiser 'veil', but even if it's true, I don't find it takes away from the enjoyment of the music. I think that often times the details are presented, but they're not shoved quite as forward with the senns as with the 70X for instance. Plus, different details are emphasized with the 580 than are emphasized with the AKG's. Never heard 'Yesterday' by the Beatles sound so good!

 

Yea you have to leave it unprotected but at least you wont get hiv while do so.  You can always put the inside foam back if you don't like it. 

 

post #53 of 56

Yep, I'm never going to sell my modded HD580s, they're just lovely, engaging and reach so deep.  I already put a HD650 cable on mine, removed the foam and added HD650 grills - looks like a FrankenHD650 now but definitely sounds better than the HD650!
 

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Yup, you definitely want to do this! I live in an arid climate so I don't have to worry about moisture and I know Sennheiser will take care of me if I ever need to swing a repair on these!

 

They won't remove the Sennheiser veil, only a recable does that for me I feel, my ears are different and I won't say that is the end-all cure, but I do rather enjoy them more than I used to!

 

Do not ever sell these. They're seriously underrated and they're something of a collectible now! These were the cans to get me to get into serious audiophilia!



 

 


Edited by reiserFS - 6/1/11 at 5:07pm
post #54 of 56
Thread Starter 

Well I had a pleasant surprise the other day when I discovered that the used 580's I just got from ebay had a 650 cable already. Maybe I'll try the foam mod eventually....most likely I will, out of curiosity, but I don't really need any more treble from them. My music collection doesn't do well with phones with a lot of high end. I found the k702 over the top bright. The senns seem very balanced....not to bright, not too dark. Never heard so much emphasis on cymbals as with the 702.

post #55 of 56
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Originally Posted by lejaz View Post

Well I had a pleasant surprise the other day when I discovered that the used 580's I just got from ebay had a 650 cable already. Maybe I'll try the foam mod eventually....most likely I will, out of curiosity, but I don't really need any more treble from them. My music collection doesn't do well with phones with a lot of high end. I found the k702 over the top bright. The senns seem very balanced....not to bright, not too dark. Never heard so much emphasis on cymbals as with the 702.



Hehehe... maybe is your system over bright tongue_smile.gif

post #56 of 56
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Hard to say for certain....the 0404 gets a lot of love on gearslutz.com from studio engineers, but I HAVE read a couple of comments that it can be a bit on the bright side. Don't know about the LD mkV. It's 'supposed' to be very neutral....but I put that word in quotes. Everyone has a different view on what's neutral, cause our ears aren't neutral. But bright or not, my system and the 580 make a perfect match... they sound stunning together!! Add a touch more treble and it would be close to perfection. Now don't go talking about the T1 or stax....I DO NOT want to know what I'm supposedly missing, lol. In this case, ignorance is bliss! To paraphrase someone else on the forum, 'I'm a music lover first, and an audiophile second'

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Hehehe... maybe is your system over bright tongue_smile.gif



 

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