REDONE, REVISED, & UPDATED - Ortofon e-Q5: The Super Sweet IEM (Review)

Great review though wishing some real time comparison to other BA monsters like FA A1 or SB or even CK10..

It's a MA not BA and breaks in like a dynamic so if you don't have much time on them, they may still change a bit. I'm not familiar with the Final tips but I find the Eq-5 slightly upper mid/lower treble prominent with the stock silicone tips which makes the bass less apparent. I think when you find the right tips, they become very slightly mid prominent (not upper, general) with the highs falling into place and nice punchy bass. Haven't heard them with complies but try some Sony Hybrids.

'Weak' is not what I would describe e-Q5 (or e-Q7 in the matter) bass response, but I guess we all have our own interpretation.

If someone is telling me something has a weak bass I would assume a roll off, possibly missing all the sub-bass and most of the mid-bass. I would think being weak is a step lower than being laid back. Well, that's my definition anyway and not necessary the most correct.

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Thanks for the review it's especially helpful as I'm probably going to test the e-q5 out for myself .And I'm not a rock metal Fan.Though way back when I was into a band called ' Rage against the machine' which were kind of  a pseudo rock metal pop band of sorts .

By reading the many many reviews I'm confident that I will not find the mids to highs lacking whilst listening with the E-q5's .Some genres of music don't make as full use of the frequency spectrum as others, your assessment may be correct in that a majority of people whom prefer the E-q5 sound signature may be either rock,jazz,classical,pop etc fans or lean towards a Mid -high Dominant I.E.M in whatever they listen too . 

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 I have read quite a few reviews that give me a impression that  the e-Q5's  don't equally share the velocity between Low-mid-high. It seems the e-Q5's favor the Mids to highs just like the CK10's though not quite as aggressively .

Though I found on  first listening to the CK10's that these mid -high tuned I.E.M's seem to have more clarity than compared to other high end I.E.M 's .It maybe more the case that the dominant high frequency that I could hear from these I.E.M 's was sightly de sensitizing my ears to a more balanced reproduction of the overall frequency spectrum .Hence when I compared the CK10's  to the westone 3's the latter sounded  veiled . Possibly because I'd been listening too high frequency I.E.M's thus had high frequency sense  override  .

A bit like shinning a very bright light in your eyes . After you take the bright light from your eyes natural light seems 'dull' in comparison.Until you allow your ears to re-adjust to the natural light .Not that westone 3's are quite as close to the natural sound reproduction I'd wish for from a I.E.M .......? . That natural sound comes from just listening to instruments being played using my ears .A I.E.M or headphone will only ever be a practical substitute when the  real thing isn't readily at hand .Such is all too often the case in many cultures .

So ,More pronounced mids - treble is not the same as clarity . Though to some it may give them that impression especially if there sensitivity to high frequency's has been subject to sense over ride for extended periods of time by listening to I.E.M that shine the light too brightly on the high frequency range .

Of course Opinions on personal taste vary from person to person.One persons favorite colour is pink whilst another blue . But there are more physical characteristics we share in common than there are difference's with subjective tastes or beliefs.Though these Differences  give us our diversity and individuality lets not let them "veil" us as humans from the Transparent Truth :-) .

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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow 




 For those who love to wear there earphones over the ear, these are cross compatible, and can be worth facing down or over the ear. 

All that happens for me if I try and put the eq-5 cable over my ears is it springs off my ears as soon as I move 

I think the cable does it better with time, but I never really had an issue with that as long as I make sure its tight. 

These have nice texture, depth and decay in the bass, but I can still see some calling it "bass light" because the punch isn't that great. The bass is a bit laid back for my taste as well but nothing too bad.  

Austin, wow would you compare them between the A1 in terms of sound? These are said to sound very alike but what are some differences you found? Also, is there  a big isolation difference?

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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow 







.. Unfortunately, since lower end frequencies are quite laid back with very little impact and don't produce enough power for bass lovers to fully enjoy it. Mid bass was also very good and while still not being very powerful, did in fact have a very good amount of detail and clarity. In fact, if you are a person who loves and deep and fulfilling bass, I suggest to look elsewhere, as you will not enjoy the balanced signature that these offer.

 

Thankfully, the e-Q5's make up for weak bass with excellent midrange and absolutely outstanding highs. 

 

. While bass was very laid back and not as powerful as I would have liked, the e-Q5's make up for that with very balanced sound all across the sound spectrum. Overall, the e-Q5's are a excellent set of cans and have some pretty spectacular audio quality. Bass lovers will definitely not enjoy the lower end frequencies, but when it comes to listening to rock metal, and any other genre that excels in high and mid range frequencies, the Ortofon e-Q5's will not disappoint.

Rating: 4.5/5

The above just about sums up the bass production of the e-Q5's .

Last night I was comparing them with the westone 3's . I began listening to a track full of native percussion . The bass line of these types of dance tracks  can come from the African Djun-djuns drums which produces a clear, resonant, deep bass tone & the African Djembe ,when hit in the center, which produces a clear, resonant, mid bass tone.

The westone 3's did a Good Job of accurately reproducing these Bass tones in relation to the whole of the spectrum .The deep resonating bass that underpins these style of music sounded organic and powerful as it naturally does .I  play a Djembe, so I know how they naturally sound .

When I listened to the same track on the e-Q5's the Rhythms nature has been slightly altered.Like the velocity of the percussion playing in the mid-high frequency spectrum had increased  . The Djembe's slap ,produced when the drum is Hit on the edge, was now most prominent .So much so that after a while most of my attention was being drawn towards the mid-high frequencies that these slaps were in along with some snares .

I Disagree! if the lower bass regions are lacking no amount of brightness will make up for that unbalance.

I Agree! if you listen mainly to genres of music that usually lack the lower end frequencies you won't know what your missing .

Though for the price, they don't even have a case. And the rubber cables just stick out of the end of the I.E.M waiting to be snagged on something .you can wear then down in which case the weight of the cable can pull at the I.E.M's.And when you turn your head the I.E.M  gets slightly tugged .also wearing them down the micro-phonics are audible at all but loud volumes .

Some people have wrote they wear them over the ears . Though as can been seem by pictures the cables aren't really angled well for this and there is no cable adjuster to fit them snugly . So I'm guessing the actual weight of the cable pulling down on the ears is what keeps the cable in place.

To sum up the SQ of the eq-5's . eXcellent in the mid lows , mids and highs. Undermined by a weak  laid back sub bass  .

IMO or this is what I hear to be a matter of physical fact.

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Originally Posted by Inks 

 but I can still see some calling it "bass light" .

Isn't that a contradiction !.Not you Inks the term "bass light". Bass and light    Good job they haven't got a heavy Treble or the audio world would be turned upside down hehe .

I would say the focus is not the bass with the e-Q5.  To many, they will more readily notice the mids and highs, so bass light is acceptable, although this is a minimal level of lightness.  Versus the e-Q7, the e-Q5 is a bit more high frequency focused.  The e-Q7 sounds a lot warmer and bassier, thicker and fuller too.  On a grand scale, they aren't a lot different, but relative to each other, they vary a bit in gearing.  The e-Q7 is low frequency dominant, bottom end notes are easier to distinguish, and extension is noticeable all the way down.  The e-Q5 is more mid and high frequency focused with the bass sounding just a hair light in the overall mix, and there is less sense of that very bottom end heft and fullness.  Extension is still good, but the presence isn't all that noticeable on the bottom end.  Where bass is the forefront of the e-Q7, bass takes a back seat with the e-Q5.  Some might take this as a frequency response difference.  In part, it is a tiny bit.  However, the response differences between the e-Q5 and e-Q7 are a couple dB at best.  More so, it's how the note is presented that is influencing why the e-Q5 sounds bass light.  The e-Q5 is short and clean, crisp, and energetic.  This brings forth improved high frequency presence and detail versus the e-Q7.  In comparison, the e-Q7 sounds thicker, smoother, softer up top.  One could say the e-Q5 offers a touch more clarity and brings out some of that sparkle and bite on the top end that some people wanted from the e-Q7.  At the same time, the note thins out which does end up detering from the lower frequencies.  The e-Q7 is fuller, punchier, more robust on the low end than the e-Q5.  The e-Q7 is more natural in the lower frequencies while the e-Q5 comes across slightly lean.  Bottom end notes with the e-Q7 are  more meaningful, have more heft, and come forth better in the overall mix.  Overall, I see the e-Q7 as a little more natural than the e-Q5.  The e-Q5 isn't a big deviation from the e-Q7 really, but it is tilted enough towards the high end to make people notice the low end isn't quite as fully represented as they may like.

 And it shouldn't be either .

A well balanced I.E.M should not be focused on the bass ,mids or highs . But equally represent them all in the context of the original music . Just like with well balanced monitor headphones no part of the spectrum has dominance . For me this makes listening to music more pleasurable .Unlike the e-Q5 , on some tracks I had to keep concentration entirely on the bass to re-adjust for the I.E.M's lack of a sub bass frequencies . I sincerely doubt this sub bass presence is in the e-Q7's .

Monitor headphones should allow you to pick & choose either to focusing on a individual instrument or instruments within a certain freq band.Or just open up your ears and let the whole of the music blend together . 

This is the character I want in a I.E.M . Westone 3 is  Good(But music lovers always want more musicality :-) ) So I'm researching if there is better . 

So far whilst testing the ck10's and eq-5's, I haven't heard a better I.E.M. .Just I.E.M's  which have lean more towards the mids to highs which makes them sound brighter which isn't a better SQ.In fact they do not accurately re-produce many percussive genre of music only the music which suits there signature . Mid to high like electric guitars and such .

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Originally Posted by mvw2 

I would say the focus is not the bass with the e-Q5.