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post #1681 of 3717

Anyone knows where can can find a cheap pair of K3003 from?

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Originally Posted by sp3llv3xit View Post
 


I think you are more an IE800 person than you are a K3003 one.

The IE800 compared to the K3003 is treble shy and a bit muddy sounding.  However, if you want the warmth and smoothness of the HD650, you will definitely not find it in the K3003.  By the way, I absolutely hate the HD650.  I often liken it to hearing music out of a pair of decent speakers covered by a piece of thick towel.  

Anyways, both the IE800 and the K3003 have large soundstage with the latter having a deeper and wider sonic field.  Mid-bass sounds more loose out of the IE800 though.  That said, you can't go wrong with either.  

 

 

Thanks for the advice. Hmm, maybe I should also share my preference for speakers to narrow in to the sound signature that would work best. For bookshelf speakers, I gravitate more towards either front ported or horn like speakers vs traditional BBC/Rogers style monitors.

 

Could you elaborate more about having a deeper and wider sonic field? As far as soundstage goes, if the IE800 or K3003 can emulate or exceed the soundstage of an over the ear open air headphone, I would be seriously impressed. That was one of the main things that put me off on the Shures.

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Originally Posted by Rurouni View Post
 

 

Thanks for the advice. Hmm, maybe I should also share my preference for speakers to narrow in to the sound signature that would work best. For bookshelf speakers, I gravitate more towards either front ported or horn like speakers vs traditional BBC/Rogers style monitors.

 

Could you elaborate more about having a deeper and wider sonic field? As far as soundstage goes, if the IE800 or K3003 can emulate or exceed the soundstage of an over the ear open air headphone, I would be seriously impressed. That was one of the main things that put me off on the Shures.


The K3003 can rival if not exceed the HD650 in soundstage depth and width.

K3003 has deeper soundstage than the IE800.

post #1684 of 3717
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Originally Posted by Rurouni View Post

Thanks for the advice. Hmm, maybe I should also share my preference for speakers to narrow in to the sound signature that would work best. For bookshelf speakers, I gravitate more towards either front ported or horn like speakers vs traditional BBC/Rogers style monitors.

Could you elaborate more about having a deeper and wider sonic field? As far as soundstage goes, if the IE800 or K3003 can emulate or exceed the soundstage of an over the ear open air headphone, I would be seriously impressed. That was one of the main things that put me off on the Shures.

Personally I find the K3003 to be the much superior phone. Treble is less splashy, more refined and in line with what I hear from live music. The IE800 has a large audible peak around 10k, giving treble a more metallic and tingy/tizzy sound.

K3003 wins in bass as well, with tighter more defined notes. Emphasis is near perfect with no mid-bass bleed. The IE800 on the other hand has a very large bump in lower bass that has the tendency to take over when it shouldn't. The IE800 can also sound less defined and flabby in comparison to the K3003.

The mids are a bit closer, but the IE800 is a bit more recessed hear if memory serves. Mids are also somewhat cold imo, lacking some natural warmth. In contrast, the K3003 sounds very natural, but at higher volumes can be just a bit strident, with a little extra emphasis on S and T sounds.

Both iems have great soundstage iirc.
post #1685 of 3717
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Personally I find the K3003 to be the much superior phone. Treble is less splashy, more refined and in line with what I hear from live music. The IE800 has a large audible peak around 10k, giving treble a more metallic and tingy/tizzy sound.

K3003 wins in bass as well, with tighter more defined notes. Emphasis is near perfect with no mid-bass bleed. The IE800 on the other hand has a very large bump in lower bass that has the tendency to take over when it shouldn't. The IE800 can also sound less defined and flabby in comparison to the K3003.

The mids are a bit closer, but the IE800 is a bit more recessed hear if memory serves. Mids are also somewhat cold imo, lacking some natural warmth. In contrast, the K3003 sounds very natural, but at higher volumes can be just a bit strident, with a little extra emphasis on S and T sounds.

Both iems have great soundstage iirc.


Thanks for the mini review. It does seem like the K3003 is more up my alley. Are the ear tips designed for shallow insertion like the IE800? Isolation isn't my main objective here as I will be listening in a quiet environment, and I am not a fan of deep ear tips as I always feel that my ears are under a bit too much pressure.

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Originally Posted by Rurouni View Post
 


Thanks for the mini review. It does seem like the K3003 is more up my alley. Are the ear tips designed for shallow insertion like the IE800? Isolation isn't my main objective here as I will be listening in a quiet environment, and I am not a fan of deep ear tips as I always feel that my ears are under a bit too much pressure.



Shallow insertion = yes.

post #1687 of 3717
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Originally Posted by gnarlsagan View Post


Personally I find the K3003 to be the much superior phone. Treble is less splashy, more refined and in line with what I hear from live music. The IE800 has a large audible peak around 10k, giving treble a more metallic and tingy/tizzy sound.

K3003 wins in bass as well, with tighter more defined notes. Emphasis is near perfect with no mid-bass bleed. The IE800 on the other hand has a very large bump in lower bass that has the tendency to take over when it shouldn't. The IE800 can also sound less defined and flabby in comparison to the K3003.

The mids are a bit closer, but the IE800 is a bit more recessed hear if memory serves. Mids are also somewhat cold imo, lacking some natural warmth. In contrast, the K3003 sounds very natural, but at higher volumes can be just a bit strident, with a little extra emphasis on S and T sounds.

Both iems have great soundstage iirc.

I'm afraid I'd disagree with your desciptions of the mids... having extensively owned these iem's and the SE846. The K3003i definitly is not as natural from bass to mids, but it does deliver much tighter sound, with more transparency and more control in the highs. The main drawback with the K3003i I owned was simply the latency of the bass; besides that though, they're the most resolving and transparent universal iem.

 

The IE800 adds color, it's like an HD650 on steroids, but obviously a lot of presence in the bass. The imaging is fantastic, and sense of space is good over all. It isn't as airy as the K3003i's, but it is more coherent with select tracks.

 

It's really a matter of picking your poison.

 

IE800 ~ HE500 and K3003i ~ HD800/K812


Edited by dleblanc343 - 4/19/14 at 8:04pm
post #1688 of 3717
are you saying that the k3003 is bass lite?
post #1689 of 3717
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I'm afraid I'd disagree with your desciptions of the mids... having extensively owned these iem's and the SE846. The K3003i definitly is not as natural from bass to mids, but it does deliver much tighter sound, with more transparency and more control in the highs. The main drawback with the K3003i I owned was simply the latency of the bass; besides that though, they're the most resolving and transparent universal iem.

 

The IE800 adds color, it's like an HD650 on steroids, but obviously a lot of presence in the bass. The imaging is fantastic, and sense of space is good over all. It isn't as airy as the K3003i's, but it is more coherent with select tracks.

 

It's really a matter of picking your poison.

 

IE800 ~ HE500 and K3003i ~ HD800/K812


Agree on the latency of the dynamic bass driver of the K3003.
Agree on the naturalness of vocals and the coherency or togetherness from bass to mids.

K3003 has larger soundstage than the IE800 when properly driven by an amp that can really bring out the large sense of space.

I love the K3003 more than the IE800.

 

post #1690 of 3717
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are you saying that the k3003 is bass lite?


Not bass light at all.  However, if you compare the K3003 to the IE800, it would appear to have less bass.  

 

post #1691 of 3717
i don't either. interested in what dieblanc343 means by latency
post #1692 of 3717

Apparently some people think the bass comes later than the other frequencies due to the dynamic driver, hence the 'new' term (old one was coherency)... latency.

post #1693 of 3717
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Apparently some people think the bass comes later than the other frequencies due to the dynamic driver, hence the 'new' term (old one was coherency)... latency.

I can see how someone might perceive "late" bass, I don't think that is the case here. The bass from the dynamic driver has longer decay than the mids and treble from the BA drivers. It's pretty common for dynamic drivers to have more decay than BA's, so I don't see any issue, unless there was a problem with coherency, or latency, which I don't think is the case here. It's all decay. The drivers all seem to be lined up right. Rin's measurements support this imo.
post #1694 of 3717

Indeed. But no measurements can beat imagination.

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Indeed. But no measurements can beat imagination.


Touche.   :D

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