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Congratulations! The K3003 is truly an outstanding piece of audio gear, and I have a few other really great IEMs to compare with. Don't forget to screw on the "High Boost" filters though. The consensus seems to be that the "Reference filters" are the best, but to me and a few others it would seem the "High Boost" filters (and the right source/recording) make this phone go beyond what is already spectacular. I’d recommend you’d at least try them. My latest love is the Etymotic ER-4PT, but if I had to make a split second decision about which phone to keep I’d still probably go for the K3003.

 

Does the ER-4PT sound similar to the K3003 or both have quite different sound signatures?

I’ m not quite sure I’m ready to go there yet. Anway and FWIW…


Signatures are quite different but also do have some similarities. The Etys as you may well know have a very flat FR, and I suppose may actually not sound too exciting with some tracks, although extremely accurate which can be very, and I mean very rewarding with the right source/recording. However, both phones are very transparent and resolving. With the K3003 High Boost filters screwed on I would say they are practically on par when it comes to transparency and resolution. I suppose in a transparency/ resolution contest the Etys would win, but just very barely. However, the Etys are rather bass shy and I have some tracks where low volume sub bass is simply lost, at least to my ears. This, of course, is never a problem with the K3003. It would seem to me that the K3003 is also rather famous for its treble. Some call it harsh, others godly and I would personally agree with the later. The treble of the Etys are quite phenomenal too, but I still think the K3003 has the upper hand. Where the Etys really shine - I mean shine in a truly grand way - is in the mid-range, and they do it so well it alone motivates to own them.


I consider the “Etymotic Research ER-4PT” and my “AKG K3003” to be my best phones without any other real competition in my modest collection of phones (EarSonics SM3v1, EarSonics EM6 (CIEM), FitEar ToGo 334, Sennheiser 650 HD (over ear)).


Edited by Aero Dynamik - 2/8/14 at 2:59pm
post #1547 of 1800

So, I tried out some Meelec Dual Flanges with the Reference filter which, to me, added some top end sparkle but I was also getting some sssibilance.  I put on the stock tips again and I felt it was missing something so I just threw on the High Boost filter so we shall see how that goes!  

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@Aero Dynamik, thanks for the comparison. I am currently using the EX1000 and I have a feeling both the K3003 and the Etys will also do well for my music (99% classical).

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@Aero Dynamik, thanks for the comparison. I am currently using the EX1000 and I have a feeling both the K3003 and the Etys will also do well for my music (99% classical).

 

The K3003 is a complete and total upgrade from the EX1000, IMO. It's a truly beautiful phone that retains the effortlessness of the EX1000, but is able to produce a sonic landscape that is much more realistic.

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So, I tried out some Meelec Dual Flanges with the Reference filter which, to me, added some top end sparkle but I was also getting some sssibilance.  I put on the stock tips again and I felt it was missing something so I just threw on the High Boost filter so we shall see how that goes!  

May I suggest that you give the insertion depth some extra attention? I believe the consensus is that the K3003 does its best with a somewhat shallow insertion depth, and I personally endorse that opinion. I feel that it contributes to the sense of it being similar to full size headphones. Some (for example music_4321) have even compared it to the Sennheiser HD 800, which I haven’t heard myself, although I do have the Sennheiser HD 650.


BTW, this reminds me of that hideous K3003 “EXECUTIVE SUMMARY“ review by purrin - that became famous for all the wrong reasons - where in one of the comments purrin wrote

 

“I simply grabbed them and shoved them in my ear as much as possible, played around with them to get a good seal, tried so shove them more into my ear to get the best bass, etc.”

 

and unfortunately a row of audiophile wannabes joined in the chorus of “that horribly flawed AKG K3003”. Fortunately and eventually quite I few front-rank IEM authorities (music_4321, james444, ljokerl, to name few) came about to balance things out, and so eventually and luckily the iniquitous criticism began to fade.


Oh, so how are things coming about? :popcorn:

post #1551 of 1800
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@Aero Dynamik, thanks for the comparison. I am currently using the EX1000 and I have a feeling both the K3003 and the Etys will also do well for my music (99% classical).

My pleasure!

 

Indeed, they are just marvellous for classical!

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The K3003 is a complete and total upgrade from the EX1000, IMO. It's a truly beautiful phone that retains the effortlessness of the EX1000, but is able to produce a sonic landscape that is much more realistic.

 

Eke, I completely agree with your statement. Also own the EX1000 and see no real reason for keeping it now.

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@Aero Dynamik, thanks for the comparison. I am currently using the EX1000 and I have a feeling both the K3003 and the Etys will also do well for my music (99% classical).

 

The K3003 is a complete and total upgrade from the EX1000, IMO. It's a truly beautiful phone that retains the effortlessness of the EX1000, but is able to produce a sonic landscape that is much more realistic.

Never heard the EX1000, but what a brilliant way to put it! I'm drooling all over the K3003 again, maybe I need to buy myself another copy of it. ;) 

post #1554 of 1800
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Oh, so how are things coming about? :popcorn:

 

What tips do you use?  I just got back in so I havent had time to listen more but I have the reference filters back on and will give that some time, then try the other two again.  

 

I am not saying that these are at all bad, I am just taking some time find what works best for me.  There are moments of absolute jaw dropping wow and other times where I feel I want more.  I see the potential, I just have to find what opens it up for me. 

 

Not sure if I mentioned it, but the imaging seems a bit.. exaggerated? I guess would be the term I would use? Or maybe disjointed? I could just be getting used to a larger soundstage than I am used to though. 

 

Genre: 50% ballad type vocals, 30% jazz/classical, 20% all other genres (hiphop, pop, alt rock, etc)

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Oh, so how are things coming about? :popcorn:

 

What tips do you use?  I just got back in so I havent had time to listen more but I have the reference filters back on and will give that some time, then try the other two again.  

 

I am not saying that these are at all bad, I am just taking some time find what works best for me.  There are moments of absolute jaw dropping wow and other times where I feel I want more.  I see the potential, I just have to find what opens it up for me. 

 

Not sure if I mentioned it, but the imaging seems a bit.. exaggerated? I guess would be the term I would use? Or maybe disjointed? I could just be getting used to a larger soundstage than I am used to though. 

 

Genre: 50% ballad type vocals, 30% jazz/classical, 20% all other genres (hiphop, pop, alt rock, etc)

Thanks for the update!

 

I use these tips (and I've been doing quite a bit of experimenting) and I'm very happy with them.

post #1556 of 1800
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

 

The K3003 is a complete and total upgrade from the EX1000, IMO. It's a truly beautiful phone that retains the effortlessness of the EX1000, but is able to produce a sonic landscape that is much more realistic.

 

I probably should have bought the K3003 last year instead of the Heir 4.Ai. Good thing is the EX1000 continues to amaze me after having it blow my ears for about 3,500 hrs in the last 2 yrs. The EX1000's potentials are maximized with a very neutral and transparent source. Love that energetic treble and bass. With that said, EX1000 is probably not one of the most detailed phones out there tho. Sony could have added that one last touch (refinement) instead they discontinued it. The newly released XBA-H3 apparently has not lived up to expectations according to Jame's impressions.

 

Well, the K3003 or its updated version may well be my next addition.

post #1557 of 1800
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 

The K3003 is a complete and total upgrade from the EX1000, IMO. It's a truly beautiful phone that retains the effortlessness of the EX1000, but is able to produce a sonic landscape that is much more realistic.

 

I appreciate the K3003 for many reasons and know where you're coming from, but from my experience with IEMs, a sweeping statement like "complete and total upgrade" will rarely withstand close scrutiny.

 

In case of the EX1000 and K3003, I'd think that attending a live classical concert with full orchestra and listening to a recording of the same music with both IEMs might change your mind.

 

(FWIW, here's my own take on the matter)

post #1558 of 1800
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I appreciate the K3003 for many reasons and know where you're coming from, but from my experience with IEMs, a sweeping statement like "complete and total upgrade" will rarely withstand close scrutiny.

 

In case of the EX1000 and K3003, I'd think that attending a live classical concert with full orchestra and listening to a recording of the same music with both IEMs might change your mind.

 

(FWIW, here's my own take on the matter)

 

While it's EX1000's sense of space is relatively unmatched, I feel that it lost a body part getting there, not unlike our protagonist from 127 Hours. My own definition of realism comes from how refined an iem is. I don't think the EXK is at the K3K's level when it comes to replicating instrumental and vocal timbre without loss composure. Each of the K3K's notes comes off as effortlessly real to me. The EXK may portray the spacing of the orchestra, but not quite the fullness and sweetness of the strings, the shimmer of the gongs, nor the natural reverb of the tympani like the K3K did.

 

I think the recurring thought that entered my head while A/B'ing the two was that the EXK simply sounded more "raw" than the K3K.

post #1559 of 1800
agree with james. think that the k3003 and ex1000 are on a similar level. comes down to personal preference.

@ aero dynamik - figured purrin was trolling when he posted that.
post #1560 of 1800
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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post
 
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post
 

 

I appreciate the K3003 for many reasons and know where you're coming from, but from my experience with IEMs, a sweeping statement like "complete and total upgrade" will rarely withstand close scrutiny.

 

In case of the EX1000 and K3003, I'd think that attending a live classical concert with full orchestra and listening to a recording of the same music with both IEMs might change your mind.

 

(FWIW, here's my own take on the matter)

 

While it's EX1000's sense of space is relatively unmatched, I feel that it lost a body part getting there, not unlike our protagonist from 127 Hours. My own definition of realism comes from how refined an iem is. I don't think the EXK is at the K3K's level when it comes to replicating instrumental and vocal timbre without loss composure. Each of the K3K's notes comes off as effortlessly real to me. The EXK may portray the spacing of the orchestra, but not quite the fullness and sweetness of the strings, the shimmer of the gongs, nor the natural reverb of the tympani like the K3K did.

 

I think the recurring thought that entered my head while A/B'ing the two was that the EXK simply sounded more "raw" than the K3K.

Well that was certainly a very clear way of explaining your previous statement "complete and total upgrade". Although I haven't heard the EXK your words make perfect sense to me.

 

Thanks!

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