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post #1306 of 1800
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Originally Posted by LargoCantabile View Post

Cannot understand why people like AKG3003. I have listened to an enormous range of classical music on mine for the last month hoping I will get used to them. They simply sound tinny and awful compared to HD800. Bit above all they hurt my ears where they seem to rub my ear raw I think they are much wider than the pother IEMS I have worn Shure and Sony. As to the sound quality I think it sounds most unnatural and not neutral at all. I have given up on them as a bad investment and AKG did not bother to respond when I asked them what I could do about the fit so they obviously don't care about customers.

that's a shame man coz mine sound fantastic tho i don't listen to classical. and i got no problems with fit. sounds like they're not for you.
post #1307 of 1800
I was using the comply ts-500s for quite a while until they degraded and I ran out of tips. I used what I had to hand, namely the tx-500 (the short ones with the built in wax filter - I used these with another set of phones I owned for a while). I won't be going back to the ts-500, the tx is a match made in heaven for th k3k3, I don't even need to squish the tips to insert, just lift the top of my ear and pop them in. It's the best ive heard these phones sound. If your struggling fit-wise you could give them a try.
post #1308 of 1800

Thx Turrican2 I will try these out. I think I have found a source for them in Bangkok.

Yup after the big cash layout and all the hype I am willing to try a few options.

 

I am currently looking at the possibility of silicone CIEMS as an option too, having read

http://www.head-fi.org/t/670651/review-customart-pro-audio-series-100-single-driver-silicone-ciem

post #1309 of 1800

Thanks for the tip.  I've been using Comply Ts/Tx series with other IEM's and been very happy with them.  Never thought to look into them for the K3003's.  Going to give them a try.

post #1310 of 1800
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 Bit above all they hurt my ears where they seem to rub my ear raw.

 

i had the same problem, also the small tips were slightly to small but the medium tips to large:

 


- bottom left - small akg k3003 tip

- middle - a small yellow ring cut from a shure se425 yellow foam rubber tip

- right - a small grey ring cut from large ue tf10 tips

 

i put the grey ring over the metal housing so this 'rub' - feeling has gone, also the fit for my ears is improved.

 

the small yellow ring reduces the length available for the akg tip, so when inserting the k3003 into my ear the tip is pressed into the ring so not only better keeping its shape but beeing pressed / slightly expanded and automatically sealing my ear.

 

fit is now excellent, good sealing, can wear them the hole day as there were no iem in my ear.

post #1311 of 1800
Has anyone tried the ortofon e-q5 eartips with the k3003 iems? Do they provide a better fit than the stock tips?
post #1312 of 1800
Hmm, ortofon tips might work pretty good. I'll test them out tomorrow.

I'm late on getting my 1+2 comparison together; hopefully I can post something by mid week.
post #1313 of 1800
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

I'm late on getting my 1+2 comparison together; hopefully I can post something by mid week.

 

Typical of Van Halen fans (being late, that is). On the other hand, I have to ask, why bother posting a comparison when the 1p2 is 'officially' soooo much better, when the SE846 has also 'officially' been declared a better IEM, and the TG334 'officially' wipes the floor with the King of Incoherence?

 

Oh, but I'm still keeping my fingers firmly crossed so that you declare the K3003s the more stylish phone — Go K3003s! GO GO GO!


Edited by music_4321 - 9/23/13 at 7:32am
post #1314 of 1800

Ah GermanGuy Just did my own little audio engineering job as you described above. I have several little bags full of tips not sure where they all came from, that is probably not the same as yours as I don't own UE. But found spongy black tips which I sued after removing in the inner plastic pipe core to use as your yellow rings. Um I also sued different white small tips I have from I know not what but where the top foldover makes them rise slightly higher than the AKG and they are slightly softer. I cut the over metal rings from I think some old grey coloured Sony or Shure tips. The overall result is good. I suspect mine sit even higher away than yours do form the original position. Comforrt feels good having listened to one disk. We will have to see if the comfort effect lasts. Thanks for the advice.

 

As to the sound. It may be better than before but that is hard to judge accurately. I had been listening to Peteris Vasks Violin Concerto Distant LIght" which is very contemporary and has some very high very soft violin, barely the slightest brush over the strings with Sennhiser HD800 using a portable ALO AMP and Cowon X7 flac file as source. I must admit the AKG was even clearer and more able to hear the slightest rasp as the violin fades away on topmost notes. The brightness of the sound may irritate over tiem I am not sure and I am not sure how older orchestral recordings with some heavy bass and massed cellos will sound. I am right now listening to Dvorak Symphony 7 with the Berlin Phil recorded some time ago Seems good but a little thinner and less warm in the sweep of strings than I recall, a bit brassy with high brass and the bass brass seems to lack something.Well now for the Eroica in a live recording by Van Bruggen and Orchestra of 18th century. Well this sounds good, if a tad brighter than I think it would in real life and would I be right in saying that it doesn't have some depth, by which I mean it is as if all the sound is been drawn together to some central point rather than a whole range being heard. Sven Tuur's Arkamine fares very well with wonderful clarity and detail required to appreciate this work. There is great depth and width in the sound

 

Tested for solo piano against Liszt Sonata played by Marc Andre Hamelin, the piano sounds very bright and percussive and lacks some reverberation or do I mean decay, it is almost as if the notes are cut short but that may be his playing style. I prefer by comparison what I am hearing from Zimerman, although the piano sounds more reverberant as a whole it seems flat I mean to lack depth, as if it is all on a flat wall spread out in front of me. But Howard Shelley playing Clementi comes out just a little too sharply for me. John McCabe playing Haydn sonata's piano also seems a touch too bright especially in treble phrases especially pizzicato, by this I mean it is more intense in quality than I think it would really sound.

 

The famous recording of Allegri's Misere with the young Roy Goodman as treble solo comes out tops every well, but yes the basses don't fare as well as they should. My favourite mezzo Lorraine Hunt is bright and clear but loses some of the warmth associated with her voice. Felicty Lott singing Reynaldo Hahn's L'heure exquisite sounds exquisite with piano clearly separated and to one side of the singer. Arvo Part sounds marvelous both with Paul Hillier including basses. Rachmaninov's Vespers sung by Latvian Radio Choir also comes across with great clarity but with again the brightness when the choir sings at full volume, probably sounding a little unnatural and lacking in warmth. Bartoli and Jaroussky's fairly new recording of Steffani is over the top bright and the trumpets seem to have some sharp sibilance at times and the the whole voice sound seems to lack depth.The earphones do full justice to the rich sounds of Schwarzkopf's rendition of Strauss Four Last Songs with occasional wobbles and flatness presumably the fault of the old recording. For me an old test favorite is Victoria's Requiem sung in Westminster Cathedral with its rich lover basses reverberating in the big sound space and the high boy sopranos. On the whole this recording fares very well with AKG. So does Junghandel's recent performance of Biber's Allelulujia Mass.And the AKG brings out every detail of Biber's scordatura in Holloways's playing of Sonata 3.

 

The Lindsay Quartet playing Haydn also end up by sounding a little sharper in upper registers than is natural, but nice and clear otherwise. The Hagen Quartet playing his Hunt Quartet make for a clear separation of instruments but some loud chords seem too bright although all the reverberation of the strings is there. While it is wonderfully clear, to me it sounds as if something has been cut out of the sounds or not allowed to appear. Carmignola's Vivaldi's Four Sesaons fares well Amandine Beyer's with baroque instruments can again be a tad sharp, although marvelous in detail.

 

So having bored you with a brief tour of some of my musical tastes as listened to on the AKG3003s, it seems in the final analysis they are very unforgiving of bad recordings which may end up by sounding flat or lacking depth, and that while they render every detail of the music especially trebles and high trebles with absolute and enchanting clarity, the sounds can become tiresome i its unflagging insistent brightness, and some piano recordings can sound harsh and percussive. Forgive my vague metaphorical terminological but I am not a technical or musical expert, although I have wide listening experience of recordings and live classical music in Europe from the earth shaking organ in Notre Dame to the full tutti of the LSO in the RFH and the wonderful warmth intimacy of De Los Angeles in the Wigmore Hall..

 

So thanks GermanGuy hopefully I can live with the AKG's now both comfort and sound quality seem improved. But I will need a break to something warmer and more forgiving for general listening. And I would suggest AKG do something about redesign to get rid of those sharp metallic cutting edges which may look smart in a photo advertisement but in reality are a pain. For us already owning them they could introduce some redesigned patch on the ear tips much like auto manufactures do recalls to fix faults. Can they retain the upper treble clarity while introducing a little more richness and depth in the bass which would make the full sound spectrum of orchestral works sound more natural? I don't know.

post #1315 of 1800

^   You don't have to love the K3003s—that's a given, but I still feel you don't have a good fit. Your description of the AKGs lacking depth, reverb, decay still make me think there's something not quite right with the fit.

 

You didn't respond to my previous post, but I'll say this again: the K3003s require a shallow-ish fit to sound best. Also, I'm not sure, but you (and perhaps GermanGuy) may be blocking the vents on the housings, which affect low freqs performance (see photo below). And one last question, are you using the reference (grey) filters.

 

 


Edited by music_4321 - 9/23/13 at 1:11pm
post #1316 of 1800
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Originally Posted by sonicaudio View Post

Has anyone tried the ortofon e-q5 eartips with the k3003 iems? Do they provide a better fit than the stock tips?

Tried it today. For me, fit is as good as with stock. Very similar tips. I very slightly prefer stock tips.
post #1317 of 1800
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 

^   You don't have to love the K3003s—that's a given, but I still feel you don't have a good fit. Your description of the AKGs lacking depth, reverb, decay still make me think there's something not quite right with the fit.

 

You didn't respond to my previous post, but I'll say this again: the K3003s require a shallow-ish fit to sound best. Also, I'm not sure, but you (and perhaps GermanGuy) may be blocking the vents on the housings, which affect low freqs performance (see photo below). And one last question, are you using the reference (grey) filters.

 

 

 

I did not notice the venting holes and would not have known about them as the information supplied with AKG3003 is minimalist. They would be covered anyway by the supplied ear tips. I am using the mid reference filters  after trying all three sets. I don't remember which ones are coloured which. The fit is now shallow yes. I think that was the whole idea of GermanGuys arrangement. They were never very deep anyway before. The problem I think is that the sharp metal edges of the round main body and the little filters poke through the the thin ear tip and irritate the ear canal and I mean the very outer edge of the ear canal not anything deep inside is what hurts, I could never get them in very far anyway.

 

As I said they are beautifully detailed while also very unforgiving to recordings and do sound what I may terms as harsh. Unfortunately despite the plethora of new recordings flooding the market each day many of the best were made 30 or 40 years ago. For me the music not the technology takes precedent. And my criticism is that I do not think the AKGs are providing as near natural a sound as one would hear in a concert hall. My criticism of the company is that once I told them where I lived when they asked they never bothered to reply. If you purport to be selling such a high end market product then I think a response is required if you want to retain brand loyalty and not appear to be arrogantly dismissive of your customers and so in love with your supposed engineering expertise.

post #1318 of 1800

 

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Originally Posted by LargoCantabile View Post
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 

^   You don't have to love the K3003s—that's a given, but I still feel you don't have a good fit. Your description of the AKGs lacking depth, reverb, decay still make me think there's something not quite right with the fit.

 

You didn't respond to my previous post, but I'll say this again: the K3003s require a shallow-ish fit to sound best. Also, I'm not sure, but you (and perhaps GermanGuy) may be blocking the vents on the housings, which affect low freqs performance (see photo below). And one last question, are you using the reference (grey) filters.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

I did not notice the venting holes and would not have known about them as the information supplied with AKG3003 is minimalist. They would be covered anyway by the supplied ear tips. I am using the mid reference filters  after trying all three sets. I don't remember which ones are coloured which. The fit is now shallow yes. I think that was the whole idea of GermanGuys arrangement. They were never very deep anyway before. The problem I think is that the sharp metal edges of the round main body and the little filters poke through the the thin ear tip and irritate the ear canal and I mean the very outer edge of the ear canal not anything deep inside is what hurts, I could never get them in very far anyway.

 

As I said they are beautifully detailed while also very unforgiving to recordings and do sound what I may terms as harsh. Unfortunately despite the plethora of new recordings flooding the market each day many of the best were made 30 or 40 years ago. For me the music not the technology takes precedent. And my criticism is that I do not think the AKGs are providing as near natural a sound as one would hear in a concert hall. My criticism of the company is that once I told them where I lived when they asked they never bothered to reply. If you purport to be selling such a high end market product then I think a response is required if you want to retain brand loyalty and not appear to be arrogantly dismissive of your customers and so in love with your supposed engineering expertise.

 

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 I did not notice the venting holes and would not have known about them as the information supplied with AKG3003 is minimalist. They would be covered anyway by the supplied ear tips.

 

The supplied/stock tips do not block the vents.

 

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 My criticism of the company is that once I told them where I lived when they asked they never bothered to reply.

 

  ??!!

post #1319 of 1800
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 

 

The supplied/stock tips do not block the vents.

 

Right, the stem of the stock tips do not block that vent.  Most other tips have longer stems and you may need to cut them down.

post #1320 of 1800

Ever since I first had the loaner K3003, I’ve really missed the treble timbre and liveliness that is somehow never harsh.  Every iem I’ve owned, loaned or sampled has had the unenviable task of comparing itself to that memory. 

 

The only real negative I have about the k3k is the cable.  It doesn’t have much in the way, if any at all, for stress relief.  That being said, there are quite a few owners who've had their sets for well over a year and haven't had cable issues, so I finally decided to put that concern behind me and give a second go with the k3k, this time as an owner.

 

The k3k is everything I remember and more.  This time around, for whatever reason, I do not have any issues fitting them properly.  No need for meelec trips, the stock tips are working perfectly.  The housings are small enough to disappear in my ear, with over the ear fit, giving me a pleasing aesthetic, unlike the much larger TG334 or 1+2. (When do the beautiful ladies arrive?)  Also, the k3k has to be the best low volume iem on the market, it’s simply fantastic at low volumes.

 

So I decided to do some comparisons with the 1+2, since its been mentioned they are fairly similar.  While I found they are pretty similar in overall signature, I found the few db’s difference here and there cause quite a large difference in preference, perception and enjoyment.  For my listing I used a combination of the Tera>QS stack and straight from the iPhone 5.

 

Instead of rewriting my notes in paragraph format, I’ll just re-paste them here:

 

K3K

- tiny housings

  • more sub bass presence
  • longer bass decay
  • smoother treble while maintaining liveliness
  • brassier treble tonality; impeccable timbre
  • more vocal intimacy; better emotional connection
  • airy soundstage
  • thicker distortion guitar
  • more acoustic guitar reverb
  • overall thicker note weight

 

1+2

- XL housings

  • leaner bass
  • faster bass
  • hotter / spicier and brighter treble
  • more frequent sibilance
  • vocals placed further back and can lack an emotional connection
  • airier, even grander soundstage
  • awesome distortion guitar bite
  • more precise imaging
  • pianos have great tonality

 

Both are seriously excellent iems and two of the best, as well as two of my favorite iems I’ve ever heard.

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