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post #1291 of 1806
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

Round 2 with the K3003 for me.  Looking forward to comparing with my 1+2 tonight and even the Astrotec AX60 in a few weeks.

Please post your impressions/comparisons. As a fellow VH/KISS fan, I implore thee.
post #1292 of 1806
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Originally Posted by woodcans View Post


Please post your impressions/comparisons. As a fellow VH/KISS fan, I implore thee.

 

Sure thing.  I'll probably post them over the weekend.

post #1293 of 1806
Got my K3K headed out to Soundfreaq, Eke, VWinter and GnarlSagan shortly, so they should be able to chime in as well
post #1294 of 1806

Cannot understand why people like AKG3003. I have listened to an enormous range of classical music on mine for the last month hoping I will get used to them. They simply sound tinny and awful compared to HD800. Bit above all they hurt my ears where they seem to rub my ear raw I think they are much wider than the pother IEMS I have worn Shure and Sony. As to the sound quality I think it sounds most unnatural and not neutral at all. I have given up on them as a bad investment and AKG did not bother to respond when I asked them what I could do about the fit so they obviously don't care about customers.

post #1295 of 1806
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post
 

Round 2 with the K3003 for me.  Looking forward to comparing with my 1+2 tonight and even the Astrotec AX60 in a few weeks.

I believe it was you who described the K3003 as having a "brassy" sound? Do you think this is what some other people refer to as harsh?

 

Oh, I just discovered "brassy" is a synonym for "harsh"! (English isn't my native language so I constantly have to look up the meaning of English words) If you care to, It would be interesting to hear you elaborate some on this "brassy/harsh" thing!

 

BTW, it will be very interesting to see how your comparison will differ (if at all) from james444's!

 

Thanks!

post #1296 of 1806
Brassy is not harsh. Anyone using it that way is confusing descriptions. Brassy describes tonality. Brassy would be opposite of steely (sometimes people say metallic instead of steely).

The K3K treble is the best tonality I've ever heard (RE0 is up there too) and is never harsh, providing you are getting the proper fit depth. Too shallow and it could sound harsh.

My first time around with them, I couldn't fit them at the proper depth with stock tips and used meelec trips, which fit beyond the recommended depth. They still sounded great. This time around, for whatever reason, I'm getting proper fit depth with stock tips. The K3K sounds fantastic.
post #1297 of 1806
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Originally Posted by shotgunshane View Post

Brassy is not harsh. Anyone using it that way is confusing descriptions. Brassy describes tonality. Brassy would be opposite of steely (sometimes people say metallic instead of steely).

The K3K treble is the best tonality I've ever heard (RE0 is up there too) and is never harsh, providing you are getting the proper fit depth. Too shallow and it could sound harsh.

My first time around with them, I couldn't fit them at the proper depth with stock tips and used meelec trips, which fit beyond the recommended depth. They still sounded great. This time around, for whatever reason, I'm getting proper fit depth with stock tips. The K3K sounds fantastic.

 

According to Dictionary.com:

 

brass·y

1[bras-ee, brah-see]

adjective, brass·i·er, brass·i·est.

 

1. made of or covered with brass.
2. resembling brass, as in color.
3. harsh and metallic: brassy tones.
4. brazen; bold; loud.
5. noisy; clamorous: a big, brassy nightclub.
 
Based on those definitions if I was to hear brassy being used as a descriptor in audio I would assume it means harsh and metallic.
post #1298 of 1806
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Originally Posted by Cougar2465 View Post

Can anyone pls recommend me a player to go with K3003 based on our experience?



I am using iPhone 5 atm and would like to know what is the best one for these iem.



 



Thanks


 



sounds ok (but not more) with my colorfly c3, not enough power but a nice, small combo, definetely better with the colorfly c4, great with the tu-05 analog squared paper portable amp. but the synergy with the HRT microstreamer i bought some weeks ago (can be connected to iphones and ipods with the camera connection kit) is amazing, especially bass depth and impact are playing in another leaque.
Edited by GermanGuy - 9/20/13 at 1:38pm
post #1299 of 1806
Most cymbals are made of brass and brass section instruments are made of, well, brass, so the more realistic the cymbals and horns sound on an iem, I associate that sound with brass. How in the world brassy means harsh and loud, I don't understand. I'd just say harsh and loud. So much for linear thinking.
Edited by shotgunshane - 9/20/13 at 1:47pm
post #1300 of 1806

Here's what the Oxford dictionary says:

 

 

I rather like the last meaning — just the type of women our good friend Mr Way_Outta_Sync fancies.

post #1301 of 1806
Sounding like brass. Well there you go.
post #1302 of 1806

^   Sounding like wonderbrass?

post #1303 of 1806
I'd say the K3K treble is perhaps the best I've heard as well. Phones tend to have treble that is either muted, tizzy, grainy or just plain harsh. Some phones might nail the energy, but by the same token, are prone to coming across as strident. Other phones manage to be smooth and inoffensive, but at the expense of air and energy. It's remarkably difficult to get it right, no matter the price point, but the K3K has managed to do it better than just about any other phone I've personally heard. I'm most impressed by how it manages to be so energetic and yet, nearly evades sibilance altogether. Haven't had any issues with tonality or thinness on flutes or solo/string ensembles. Haven't had any issues with vocals being too brittle. And hey, Dylan's harp playing didn't make me wanna rip my own ears off. Truly outstanding. 

Oh, and as a rock guy, I took brassy to pertain to cymbals myself, (and by extension, brass instruments). I've only ever heard this type of tone (to varying degrees) in a handful of IEMs, of which include the Heaven S, SUI, and 1P2. All those phones, however, are hampered by a few quirks in the treble space that don't seem to crop up on the K3K.
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Here's what the Oxford dictionary says:




I rather like the last meaning — just the type of women our good friend Mr Way_Outta_Sync fancies.

One of these days, Cheryl Cole'll get back to me, and I when I become King of the Chavs, you'll be the first against the wall 
post #1304 of 1806
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Originally Posted by LargoCantabile View Post
 

Cannot understand why people like AKG3003. I have listened to an enormous range of classical music on mine for the last month hoping I will get used to them. They simply sound tinny and awful compared to HD800. Bit above all they hurt my ears where they seem to rub my ear raw I think they are much wider than the pother IEMS I have worn Shure and Sony. As to the sound quality I think it sounds most unnatural and not neutral at all. I have given up on them as a bad investment and AKG did not bother to respond when I asked them what I could do about the fit so they obviously don't care about customers.

 

I listen to plenty of classical music, too (I personally listen mostly to chamber and solo works), and also own the HD800s. There are other K3003 owners who are also into classical music, and several people who have commented on the very close sonic similarities between the AKGs & Senns.

 

Seems to me you have a pretty bad fit... and/or a faulty pair, which is unlikely (unless you got yourself a second-hand pair perhaps). The K3003s are anything but tinny-sounding.

 

If you still can't manage to get a good fit with the K3003s, I suggest you look into the ER4S or FI-BA-SS.

 

EDIT: As an FYI, you're not supposed to get a deep fit with the K3003s, but a shallow-ish one, so trying smaller tips to attempt a deeper fit may not yield the best results. I say this because people used to Shure / Westone type of IEMs—or worse still, Etymotic IEMs—may be getting the wrong fit / insertion.


Edited by music_4321 - 9/20/13 at 4:28pm
post #1305 of 1806
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Originally Posted by LargoCantabile View Post

Cannot understand why people like AKG3003. I have listened to an enormous range of classical music on mine for the last month hoping I will get used to them. They simply sound tinny and awful compared to HD800. Bit above all they hurt my ears where they seem to rub my ear raw I think they are much wider than the pother IEMS I have worn Shure and Sony. As to the sound quality I think it sounds most unnatural and not neutral at all. I have given up on them as a bad investment and AKG did not bother to respond when I asked them what I could do about the fit so they obviously don't care about customers.

I've had the k3003 for a couple of weeks now and I had the same issue with fit. Akg should have made 5 sizes of ear tips to cater for different types of ears but I urge you not to give up; I found the auvio large ear tips to be a good fit. It would seem they were made to fit the k3003.

In regards to them sounding tinny, what iems did you use previously? The k3003 is the closest sounding iems compared to full sized headphones that I've heard. Soundstage is seriously wide with excellent instrument separation. Bass weight and impact is just about right and its balance makes me appreciate the melodies in the mids and details of the highs a lot more even though I listening to house music where bass is very prominent. They definitely are not tinny to my ears.

Maybe try wearing them over the ears, that helps giving a different insertion angle and the protruding piece of steel will be in the opposite direction so hopefully it won't rub against your ears.

Granted, for the price more eartip sizes and fully enclosed carry case would be nice if they were included although I don't mind buying more accessories to go with the new bling-bling.

It's my first totl iem (not including the flagship eph-100 hehe) so the only problem I have now is I'm wondering how the f111, fi-ba-ss, ie800, 1plus2 and kaede sound.
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