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post #1171 of 1913

shotgunshane preferred them with Meelec triflanges, I can see those tips taming that 6k peak. 

post #1172 of 1913
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Originally Posted by james444 View Post

^ Thanks for your well-balanced impressions and glad you got a second chance to try the K3003 :)

 

As for the ultimate on-the-go earphone, idk I've never built enough confidence in their upper cables for that. I'm usually not the worrying type, but these and the FI-BA-SS are the ones I only handle with kid gloves.

 

I have to say that I personally find Fawlty Towers type reviews much more balanced:
 
"A total musical turd"
"Grainy treble"
"Harsh treble"
"Slow bass"
"The integration between the bass and treble is a complete joke"

"Serious FAIL"

"I feel disconnected"
"Aren't IEMs supposed to isolate?"
"Flawed earphone not worth the price"

What I find most disappointing and quite disturbing, actually, is that none of those Fawlty Towers type reviews mention just how great the packaging is and how that alone makes the AKGs worth every single penny… or acknowledge the fact that wearing the K3003s, and thanks to their classy & expensive-looking design, one can meet plenty of awfully attractive young ladies — isn't that truly priceless?

post #1173 of 1913
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

 

I have to say that I personally find Fawlty Towers type reviews much more balanced:
 
"A total musical turd"
"Grainy treble"
"Harsh treble"
"Slow bass"
"The integration between the bass and treble is a complete joke"

"Serious FAIL"

"I feel disconnected"
"Aren't IEMs supposed to isolate?"
"Flawed earphone not worth the price"

What I find most disappointing and quite disturbing, actually, is that none of those Fawlty Towers type reviews mention just how great the packaging is and how that alone makes the AKGs worth every single penny… or acknowledge the fact that wearing the K3003s, and thanks to their classy & expensive-looking design, one can meet plenty of awfully attractive young ladies — isn't that truly priceless?


Unfortunately didn't help with the only lady that makes a difference at this point - the wife!  She wasn't happy to find I spent that much on them!

post #1174 of 1913

^  Perhaps I should have been a little more specific: With the K3003s one can meet plenty of awfully attractive young ladies of the non-marrying / non-nagging / guaranteed-fun type.

post #1175 of 1913

Guess I missed out on that - let me know if it works!

post #1176 of 1913

Have had my K3003s for one year and seven months (purchased on 2nd Jan 2012) and, although they are indeed "a total musical turd", I've already lost count of the number of fine & very attractive young ladies I've met since then.

post #1177 of 1913
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

I finally gave the K3003 a second official listen today; it was done with grey reference filters, coupled with my FiiO X3.

 

My thoughts are in line with what I wrote originally, but have been skewed more positively as well. I'm more impressed with its bass presentation, and most impressed with how 'clean' the overall presentation was. It's grainless with good black space. My main "issue" with it, back then, and still now, is its strange tendency to move towards sibilance but suddenly pull back. I tend to expect sibilance when that happens, and when I don't hear it, it's not actually pleasing, it's disorienting. I believe these findings correlate well with the FR of the K3003, given it's sharp peak and dip around 6k.

 

With regard to BA/dynamic "coherence", it's less of an issue now. Yes, obviously it sounds like dynamic lows coupled with BA highs, but I don't feel there's a terrible disconnect. Ultimately, I think the 1Plus2 does a slightly better job in this regard because its bass response is so quick, but I don't really find it a big issue anymore. It could be that my source now has very low OI compared to the middling OI of my old iPod Touch, and the better damping factor led to superior bass response, speed, and tightness.

 

Originally, many months ago, I lauded the K3003 as perhaps the ultimate on-the-go earphone, and my opinion hasn't changed. It has tank-like build, decent cables, and a comfortable fit. The isolation isn't great, but it's not horrible. The tips could be a litle better, but I've seen far worse.

 

I think the bottom line is that the AKG K3003 remains a very well-engineered item that will remain a definite TOTL contender despite new competition.

 

In terms of value, it's hard to put a finger on any big-time flagship's value. Already, we're hearing K3003 clones for a fraction of the price. The 1Plus2 is more enjoyable to a subset of TOTL seekers. Yet, it was indeed the first to put this hybrid concept together into a flagship-worthy product, and that definitely counts for something.

To be perfectly honest I feel the one word in your review that best describes how I feel about it is “disorienting”. I don’t claim that to be relevant but perhaps of interest nevertheless, and it’s not intended to be offensive. How can something be described as TOTL and at the same time be described as beset by serious flaws? In my world I’m afraid that is just too much of a contradiction. You expect sibilance, can’t hear it, and become disoriented… (Ok, I simplified your statement, but for God’s sake, if anything is “disorienting”, that is!)


I have a few questions that I would appreciate if you could answer.


Obviously you are now more positive to the AKG K3003 than you used to be. For example you write that the coherence is less of an issue now. What would you say is the major reason for this?


What exactly do you refer to when you speak about clones of the AKG K3003? The Oxford Dictionary of English reads: “a person or thing regarded as an exact copy of another …”


Would you be willing to go as far as to say that the isolation of the stock tips is “fully approved” rather than “not great, not horrible”?


In what way could the tips be a little better, as you put it, and so perhaps make them “fully approved” if not already?


What do you mean by”official listen”? That you were instructed or paid to listen to the K3003 by a client? (Not an important question, just curios)


Thanks!

post #1178 of 1913
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

shotgunshane preferred them with Meelec triflanges, I can see those tips taming that 6k peak. 

Ah, you mean their ability to tame the disorienting sibilance that can't be heard? I've tried the Meelec triflanges extensively, and all they do for me, besides being uncomfortable, is change the signature, and in my case, not for the positive.

post #1179 of 1913

Let's not forget different tips work differently for different people (diff ears / ear-canals and diff sound preferences, of course). I've personally been perfectly happy with the stock medium tips.

post #1180 of 1913
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Let's not forget different tips work differently for different people (diff ears / ear-canals and diff sound preferences, of course). I've personally been perfectly happy with the stock medium tips.

Good point! If the Meelec triflanges do wonders for some, I'm all for it! I just think it's unfortunate if some are led to believe by certain authorities on this site that the stock tips are no good, when in fact they are exceptionally good.

post #1181 of 1913

Yes, listing the stock tips as one of the K3003's cons / flaws is a gross exaggeration, but it seems the K3003 is one of those IEMs / phones some just luuuuv to hate — if you're a true audiophile, say the K3003 is (practically) crap / pretty flawed and you'll almost instantly be allowed / welcomed into the inner audiophile circle(s) of those really in the know.

Me? Well, nothing beats me Beats, me iBuds, me sexy-looking K3003s, me Big Big BIG Mac, me XXXL Coke, me Jerry Springer & me Justin Bieber.

post #1182 of 1913
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post

Yes, listing the stock tips as one of the K3003's cons / flaws is a gross exaggeration, but it seems the K3003 is one of those IEMs / phones some just luuuuv to hate — if you're a true audiophile, say the K3003 is (practically) crap / pretty flawed and you'll almost instantly be allowed / welcomed into the inner audiophile circle(s) of those really in the know.

Me? Well, nothing beats me Beats, me iBuds, me sexy-looking K3003s, me Big Big BIG Mac, me XXXL Coke, me Jerry Springer & me Justin Bieber.

So very true, and who could word it better than music_4321?! Spot on! Ha-ha!

post #1183 of 1913

BTW, I should point out that the new stock Apple earphones, the Earpods, are pretty good-sounding phones—better than several much more expensive IEMs I've had—and have excellent build quality. I bought a pair for £24.99 nearly 10 months ago and have used them quite a bit all this time. They're the only phones I have that I allow myself to abuse and they practically look as good as new; they even have a remote which works beautifully with my 4G Touch & MBP, and, on top of that, they're extraordinarily comfortable. (seriously)


Edited by music_4321 - 8/6/13 at 4:50pm
post #1184 of 1913
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post  How can something be described as TOTL and at the same time be described as beset by serious flaws? In my world I’m afraid that is just too much of a contradiction.

 

I don't see how that that's a contradiction. Everything has its flaws.

 

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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post

Obviously you are now more positive to the AKG K3003 than you used to be. For example you write that the coherence is less of an issue now. What would you say is the major reason for this?

 

I wrote my reasoning in the post. I suggest you read it again.

 

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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post


What exactly do you refer to when you speak about clones of the AKG K3003? The Oxford Dictionary of English reads: “a person or thing regarded as an exact copy of another …”

 

Not "clones", then. "Imitations"

 

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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post  Would you be willing to go as far as to say that the isolation of the stock tips is “fully approved” rather than “not great, not horrible”?

 

I don't know. How would you go and change them to be "fully approved" by you?

 

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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post  What do you mean by”official listen”? That you were instructed or paid to listen to the K3003 by a client? (Not an important question, just curios)

 

No, I wasn't instructed or paid to listen to the K3003. I didn't mean anything by "official listen".

 

You are reading way too much into my words. I wrote that thing literally in as fast as I could type. I did not think nearly as much as you have, trying to poke every single logic hole in my statement.

 

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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post it’s not intended to be offensive.

 

I beg to differ. I think you intentionally crafted these "questions" to be sarcastic and trolling.

post #1185 of 1913

I think in this particular instance both Messrs Aero Dynamik & tomscy2000 are misunderstanding each other a little. (or some sort of miscommunication going on here)

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