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post #1156 of 1800
That's oversimplifying it as he does hold the K3003 in high regard, to him it's still the best hybrid by far. But yes he does prefer the ie800, but to be fair, he couldn't do a direct comparison.
post #1157 of 1800
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post

I agree! The synergy between the K3003 and this piece of music is amazing. I’ve never heard a violin E string sound so realistically steely on any other recording/headphone before. Brilliant! Also, fascinating piece of music! I’ve never heard about Arvo Pärt before (I guess I really should have!? smile.gif) It reminds me a bit about both Bach and Shostakovich.


Also, what a great site “Grooveshark” seems to be. I had no knowledge of its existence and was surprised the file was (more than) high quality. Is it legal!? I hope so! It looks/sounds like a gold mine to me!


Thank you music_4321!

 

Speaking about Shostakovich I really must recommend his Cello Concerto No. 1 in E flat major, Op. 107 with Mstislav Rostropovich (who I as a music student had the great privilege to briefly meet some 33 odd years ago). I especially enjoy the second movement, but the entire recording is just out of this world and it too goes very well with the K3003. Enjoy the second movement here!
 

 

Hey Aero Dynamik, thanks for the Shostakovich Cello Concerto recommendation! — I hadn't heard it before, but did so earlier today and you're right, it's excellent and it does sound great through the K3003s. I'll definitely be ordering a copy of that CD. Lucky you, btw, that you had a chance to meet, if only briefly, Mr Rostropovich.

 

Yes, I love Arvo Pärt' Tabula Rasa album and consider it a masterpiece.

 

As for Grooveshark, here's a bit more information about who / what they are.

 

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An important note for those who follow Rin Choi's blog.

 

Rin calls the k3003 "an experiment project" while the Sennheiser IE800 is a "masterpiece". Rin says "I personally prefer IE800" to the k3003.

 

You can find this in Rin's page on the IE800.

 

Strange that you should post the "important note" above just now, when Rin's IE800 analysis was posted over 4 months ago (26th March). I wonder if your post has anything to do with what you posted in another thread only 12 hrs ago:

 

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Please, please, PLEASE, lee730, say you do NOT agree with purrin's very eloquent description of the K3003s. If you say you don't, I promise I won't admit publicly that Rin Choi is my ultimate hero, who, in his conclusion of his K3003 analysis said, among other things, "the AKG K3003 is a great IEM".


Rin Choi called the k3003 an "experiment project" and Rin choi further said "I prefer the IE800".


Edited by music_4321 - 8/3/13 at 11:56am
post #1158 of 1800

Haha. Some people need others to say what's good and what's not. 

 

K3003 is definitely an experiment. I'd point out something that seems to be forgotten about experiments: they can be of 2 types: successful and unsuccessful. I think most of us know by now into what type of experiment the IEM discussed goes.

 

Good night.

post #1159 of 1800
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

An important note for those who follow Rin Choi's blog.

Rin calls the k3003 "an experiment project" while the Sennheiser IE800 is a "masterpiece". Rin says "I personally prefer IE800" to the k3003.

You can find this in Rin's page on the IE800.

who's been a naughty kitty? dunno what your agenda is but rin gave the k3003 a positive review and he's a tough critic. good thing i stopped by to call you out on that.
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Haha. Some people need others to say what's good and what's not. 

K3003 is definitely an experiment. I'd point out something that seems to be forgotten about experiments: they can be of 2 types: successful and unsuccessful. I think most of us know by now into what type of experiment the IEM discussed goes.

Good night.

a successful one right? wink.gif
post #1160 of 1800
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post

 

Speaking about Shostakovich I really must recommend his Cello Concerto No. 1 in E flat major, Op. 107 with Mstislav Rostropovich (who I as a music student had the great privilege to briefly meet some 33 odd years ago). I especially enjoy the second movement, but the entire recording is just out of this world and it too goes very well with the K3003. Enjoy the second movement here!

 

Have just placed an order for the same version you linked to, which is really excellent (listened to it again this morning). However, I was very tempted to order a different version (released only two months ago) after reading the following:

"Rostropovich previously unknown and unreleased unique recordings of Shostakovich's concertos. Mstislav Rostropovich... studied composition with Dmitri Shostakovich. ... in 1959 Shostakovich dedicated his Cello Concerto No.1 to Rostropovich... Rostropovich learned the piece within a mere four days and duly played it by heart to the astonished composer. Two days after the premiere (4 October 1959 in Leningrad), Rostropovich performed the work in Moscow to an enthusiastic audience response. Our CD contains this version, the concerto's oldest known recording."

Since I couldn't sample any of the tracks found on this latest release, I opted for the brilliant version you recommended, but I may as well get the other version in the not so distant future.

 

Thanks again — excellent music indeed!

post #1161 of 1800
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post

 

Speaking about Shostakovich I really must recommend his Cello Concerto No. 1 in E flat major, Op. 107 with Mstislav Rostropovich (who I as a music student had the great privilege to briefly meet some 33 odd years ago). I especially enjoy the second movement, but the entire recording is just out of this world and it too goes very well with the K3003. Enjoy the second movement here!

 

Have just placed an order for the same version you linked to, which is really excellent (listened to it again this morning). However, I was very tempted to order a different version (released only two months ago) after reading the following:

"Rostropovich previously unknown and unreleased unique recordings of Shostakovich's concertos. Mstislav Rostropovich... studied composition with Dmitri Shostakovich. ... in 1959 Shostakovich dedicated his Cello Concerto No.1 to Rostropovich... Rostropovich learned the piece within a mere four days and duly played it by heart to the astonished composer. Two days after the premiere (4 October 1959 in Leningrad), Rostropovich performed the work in Moscow to an enthusiastic audience response. Our CD contains this version, the concerto's oldest known recording."

Since I couldn't sample any of the tracks found on this latest release, I opted for the brilliant version you recommended, but I may as well get the other version in the not so distant future.

 

Thanks again — excellent music indeed!

That’s fascinating indeed (I had no idea), but of course without a sample the audio quality could be anything. If you do get it please let me know!


I’ve heard quite a few recordings of this piece, one with Lynn Harrel which is quite excellent, but the version I recommended with Mstislav Rostropovich is of course my favourite. I’ve also heard it live with Frans Helmersson which was one of Rostropovich’s top students and a teacher at the music school of the Swedish National Radio (these days I actually live just a kilometer from this place and now and then I take my kids there for various events) where I was a student, and the reason I got to meet with Rostropovich, who by the way was extremely humble, friendly and enormously inspiring.


(There are also recordings of this piece you IMO should definitely stay away from. I wrote this short review “A musical masterpiece completely misunderstood” on amazon.co.uk of Gavriel Lipkind’s recording.)
 

post #1162 of 1800
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That’s fascinating indeed (I had no idea), but of course without a sample the audio quality could be anything. If you do get it please let me know!


I’ve heard quite a few recordings of this piece, one with Lynn Harrel which is quite excellent, but the version I recommended with Mstislav Rostropovich is of course my favourite. I’ve also heard it live with Frans Helmersson which was one of Rostropovich’s top students and a teacher at the music school of the Swedish National Radio (these days I actually live just a kilometer from this place and now and then I take my kids there for various events) where I was a student, and the reason I got to meet with Rostropovich, who by the way was extremely humble, friendly and enormously inspiring.


(There are also recordings of this piece you IMO should definitely stay away from. I wrote this short review “A musical masterpiece completely misunderstood” on amazon.co.uk of Gavriel Lipkind’s recording.)
 

 

Thanks for the tip on the Rostropovich recording, I've bought it from Amazon and will give it some serious listening! smile_phones.gif

 

Btw, I'd be interested in your take on Heinrich Schiff's recording, which I'm actually quite fond of, and not only for its excellent sound quality.

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Edited by Aero Dynamik - 8/5/13 at 2:48pm
post #1164 of 1800
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Originally Posted by Kunlun View Post

An important note for those who follow Rin Choi's blog.

 

Rin calls the k3003 "an experiment project" while the Sennheiser IE800 is a "masterpiece". Rin says "I personally prefer IE800" to the k3003.

 

You can find this in Rin's page on the IE800.

Well, thank God there is Rin for those of us who have gone astray and now have been enlightened!

post #1165 of 1800
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post

That’s fascinating indeed (I had no idea), but of course without a sample the audio quality could be anything. If you do get it please let me know!


I’ve heard quite a few recordings of this piece, one with Lynn Harrel which is quite excellent, but the version I recommended with Mstislav Rostropovich is of course my favourite. I’ve also heard it live with Frans Helmersson which was one of Rostropovich’s top students and a teacher at the music school of the Swedish National Radio (these days I actually live just a kilometer from this place and now and then I take my kids there for various events) where I was a student, and the reason I got to meet with Rostropovich, who by the way was extremely humble, friendly and enormously inspiring.


(There are also recordings of this piece you IMO should definitely stay away from. I wrote this short review “A musical masterpiece completely misunderstood” on amazon.co.uk of Gavriel Lipkind’s recording.)
 

 

Thanks for the tip on the Rostropovich recording, I've bought it from Amazon and will give it some serious listening! smile_phones.gif

 

Btw, I'd be interested in your take on Heinrich Schiff's recording, which I'm actually quite fond of, and not only for its excellent sound quality.

I haven't heard it yet but will listen to it as soon as I get a chance and get back to you!

post #1166 of 1800
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Well, thank God there is Rin for those of us who have gone astray and now have been enlightened!

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

This is the way those truly awful K3003s should have been reviewed & analysed (from 00:46 to 01:54):

 


Edited by music_4321 - 8/5/13 at 3:47pm
post #1167 of 1800

It would seem to me that one of the most well designed features of the K3003 is its stock tips (which is somewhat funny since one of Head-Fi:s “official authorities” had severe problems with the stock tips and couldn’t even admit that this wouldn’t be the typical situation for buyers of the K3003). No other tips that I’ve tried (and I’ve tried plenty and of all sorts) work as well for me as the K3003 stock tips.


So far I’ve been using the medium sized tips and I’ve been very happy with them. However, a couple of weeks ago I tried the large stock tips but couldn’t get them to fit, feeling they were just too large. So, just on a lark I tried what I believe you’re really supposed to do when you insert the tips; I lifted my ear to straighten out the ear canal, and to my surprise I got the large stock tips to fit me like a pair of gloves. This widened and deepened the soundstage (shallower fit) to some extent and added a tad more authority to the bass (better isolation). To me this made the pleasure of listening to “stage music” (like classical, jazz, etc.) all the more enjoyable.


Conclusively; if you can get the large stock tips to fit in a comfortable way it might be worth a try, and if you do, please let us know what you hear and how you like it!


BTW (and this is going to be emotional, but I just have to) I feel so privileged and happy every time I use and listen to the K3003. It is absolutely exceptional!

 

Figure 1.1. The large stock tips of the AKG K3003.

post #1168 of 1800

I finally gave the K3003 a second official listen today; it was done with grey reference filters, coupled with my FiiO X3.

 

My thoughts are in line with what I wrote originally, but have been skewed more positively as well. I'm more impressed with its bass presentation, and most impressed with how 'clean' the overall presentation was. It's grainless with good black space. My main "issue" with it, back then, and still now, is its strange tendency to move towards sibilance but suddenly pull back. I tend to expect sibilance when that happens, and when I don't hear it, it's not actually pleasing, it's disorienting. I believe these findings correlate well with the FR of the K3003, given it's sharp peak and dip around 6k.

 

With regard to BA/dynamic "coherence", it's less of an issue now. Yes, obviously it sounds like dynamic lows coupled with BA highs, but I don't feel there's a terrible disconnect. Ultimately, I think the 1Plus2 does a slightly better job in this regard because its bass response is so quick, but I don't really find it a big issue anymore. It could be that my source now has very low OI compared to the middling OI of my old iPod Touch, and the better damping factor led to superior bass response, speed, and tightness.

 

Originally, many months ago, I lauded the K3003 as perhaps the ultimate on-the-go earphone, and my opinion hasn't changed. It has tank-like build, decent cables, and a comfortable fit. The isolation isn't great, but it's not horrible. The tips could be a litle better, but I've seen far worse.

 

I think the bottom line is that the AKG K3003 remains a very well-engineered item that will remain a definite TOTL contender despite new competition.

 

In terms of value, it's hard to put a finger on any big-time flagship's value. Already, we're hearing K3003 clones for a fraction of the price. The 1Plus2 is more enjoyable to a subset of TOTL seekers. Yet, it was indeed the first to put this hybrid concept together into a flagship-worthy product, and that definitely counts for something.

post #1169 of 1800

^ Thanks for your well-balanced impressions and glad you got a second chance to try the K3003 :)

 

As for the ultimate on-the-go earphone, idk I've never built enough confidence in their upper cables for that. I'm usually not the worrying type, but these and the FI-BA-SS are the ones I only handle with kid gloves.

post #1170 of 1800
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Originally Posted by Aero Dynamik View Post

It would seem to me that one of the most well designed features of the K3003 is its stock tips (which is somewhat funny since one of Head-Fi:s “official authorities” had severe problems with the stock tips and couldn’t even admit that this wouldn’t be the typical situation for buyers of the K3003). No other tips that I’ve tried (and I’ve tried plenty and of all sorts) work as well for me as the K3003 stock tips.

I second that. Tried other tips during the last year and kept coming back to the stock ones. At some point I filled the medium tips with silicon and the isolation and fit was very nice, but the tips would slide off the phones too easily and I lost them at some point. Until then the large stock tips do the job for me. Never crossed my mind in the last 2 months to change them with anything else.

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