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post #31 of 75
Quote:
Originally posted by marios_mar
So in terms of detail/quickness

K1000>HE60>stax 2020 right?


Is the electrostatic experience worth or not for a person who likes hard rock too?
Electrostatic is a type of headphone , it's not like a brand ( for exsample sennheiser ). That's like saying , I like rock will a dynamic headphone experience be worth it ? Of course lol!
Btw the K1000 isn't electrostatic :-p , it's a wanna be electrostatic ( it's really dynamic ).

The he60 should be about par with the k1000 for quickness , maybe faster. I also would think that the k1000 should have about the same level of detail as the he60. But I really have no idea so don't believe me ask one of the guys that have actual owned /used both.
About the srs-2020 , why do you keep bring that up ? These other two headphones kill the srs-2020 , and the srs-2020 is like 450 dollars new ... now if your talking about the SR-404 with 313 amp from www.eifl.co.jp ( that's only $800 which is about the same price as these other two and prob one of the best deals with stax right now) then I would say go with the he60/hev70 then the sr-404/313 then the k1000. The k1000 is a great headphone , better then the sr-404 for sure but if your going to be using it on your old tube amp i'm not so sure it would really sound all that great . Might even sound like ****. Just realize that if you go with the he60/hev70 or sr-404/313 your going to have to keep the amp on all day , it NEEDS to be powered up for at like 12 hours to get it's REAL sound :-p.
post #32 of 75
Thread Starter 
thanks chefguru. Your advice is very interesting.

The thing is that I dont have the $800. So thats why I am talking about the 2020 system. Tell me about it please.

Would a vintage amp (a tandberg) +K1000 combo sound worse and less detailed than the 2020 system?
post #33 of 75
Is the Tandberg tube or solid state?
post #34 of 75
Thread Starter 
solid state it is.

Do you all believe that cans like K1000 absolutely kill a basic 2020 system?

To help u understand I am considering AKG K1000 used or SRS-2020 new. Or HE60 if it comes for up to 500 EUROS.
post #35 of 75
The K-1000 with a vintage solid state amp is a tough call. I am scared of 1970's solid state equipment, as most of it sounds awful to my ears. I think this is partly because most 1970's Solid state amps I have heard had bad electrolytic capacitors and among dirty pots among other problems.

If your amp tends to sound bright, it will sound bad with the K-1000. If the amp has a warmer sound, it might be a good match with the K-1000, then again it might not.

I tried the K-1000 on my NAD C350 receiver, which is a recent solid state amp and it sounded bad. Flat and bright.

When the K-1000 sounds bad, it is either because the highs are too piercing or it sounds flat.

When the K-1000 sounds good, it is smooth, refined, detailed, and dynamic. Awesome for all types of music.

I prefer the K-1000 with tube amps, and the RKV is a choice pairing. The Norh SE-9, at $400 retail price, isn't too far behind. It is a 9 watt/channel EL34 based single ended class A amp that matches really nicely with the K-1000.
post #36 of 75
marios_mar, Chefguru hasn't heard the HE60. I'd take his comments with a boulder-sized grain of salt. He's parroting what others are saying.

I've never heard the K1000, but I'm very happy with my mid-fi Stax setup (see signature). My recommendation would be to save up until you could afford something similar. Electrostatics reproduce detail exceptionally and are extraordinarily fast; there's nothing syrupy or sluggish about them. Whether or not this kind of sound is one you like... that's the question you must answer. I wouldn't go for an SRS-2020, but that might be good enough for you. IMO, a better idea would be to save up until you can afford a 3030 (or a 404 and a 313 amplifier, as I have).

- Chris
post #37 of 75
Quote:
Originally posted by Chefguru
The k1000 is a great headphone , better then the sr-404 for sure but if your going to be using it on your old tube amp i'm not so sure it would really sound all that great.
Chefguru,
It's my opinion that you can't make blanket statements about headphones like you have in the quote above. I have owned the Stax sr-404 and heard the AKG K1000's (paired with a Fisher receiver) and I think it's inaccurate to say either is "better than the other for sure". It all depends on personal preference. It it is very misleading to say one headphone is "better than another for sure". Why not give your opinion from experience and let the listener decide based on his or her preference?
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Just realize that if you go with the he60/hev70 or sr-404/313 your going to have to keep the amp on all day , it NEEDS to be powered up for at like 12 hours to get it's REAL sound :-p.
You do not have to keep the SRM-313 on all day. In fact, you can start playing music ~30 seconds after you turn it on. After it warms up a bit it might sound a little better but it is certainly enjoyable after just 30 seconds of being on.
post #38 of 75
Class A's are slow to warm up, tho. My AKG SAC amp needs nearly 2 hours to warm up to sound better.

In comparison, my Grace only needs a couple minutes.

-Ed
post #39 of 75
Thread Starter 
Since I understood that I will be needing too much cash for the k1000 to amp them and the 2020s are not too great I am considering used HE60 with their own amp until I can afford a better amp. I think these are the headphones.
Anyone have advice on the maximum amount I should go for a good condition used pair?
post #40 of 75
Quote:
Originally posted by marios_mar
Since I understood that I will be needing too much cash for the k1000 to amp them and the 2020s are not too great I am considering used HE60 with their own amp until I can afford a better amp. I think these are the headphones.
Anyone have advice on the maximum amount I should go for a good condition used pair?
The only person who said the 2020's aren't too great was chefguru and it isn't clear whether or not he's even listened to them.

HE60's fluctuate in price on ebay since not too many are traded. Pay whatever you feel comfortable paying, but I wouldn't pay more than $750 for a good condition used pair.

Apparently HE60's are prized by the audiology industry so many pairs that turn up for sale are very well used.
post #41 of 75
Is that only the HE60 headphones by themselves?

Or the HE60/HEV70 Headphone and Amp combo?

-Ed
post #42 of 75
Thread Starter 
I sent uncledan a pm but he dednt reply regarding his HE60s
I woder how much he sold them for.
post #43 of 75
Quote:
Originally posted by Edwood
Is that only the HE60 headphones by themselves?

Or the HE60/HEV70 Headphone and Amp combo?

-Ed
It was sold as a system. HE60 were the headphones and HEV70 is the amp.
post #44 of 75
Thread Starter 
Now I wonder,
which cans have better longevity dynamic or electrostatic. Just am curious.
post #45 of 75
Stax are very dependent on their amp; they are very revealing, even of their "own" electronics. That's probably why some don't like the 2020's - it's not the cans, its the amp. Step up in amp with any Stax can and its a night and day difference. The base Stax amps aren't the greatest, but of course get the job done.

MAYBE, you may be able to start off with a 2020 system to upgrade the amp later and be very happy with the result. You'll have to listen to the 202s on an upgraded amp to see, but for sure they'll sound way different on that upgraded amp.

You know, I should sell my SRM-1, now that I think of it. Isn't doing me any good in the closet.

As for warming them up, yes they do need a warmup. 5 minutes to get OK sounding, say 30 minutes to really start getting in the groove. Don't keep a Stax amp on 24 / 7 unless you want a repair bill, to readjust bias, in 5 months. Trust me It still really isn't right after the repair, right doesn't track left volume perfectly. No biggie, I live with it, but it is beginning to erk me lately.

Longevity? Hmmm, good question. I might say electrostats as they do not have a cone surround to decompose, and (very generally) being more expensive to purchase originally are well made. Nobody interested in electrostats puts up with crap quality when paying that much for a "can". But old dynamics are so very common, also. Really, I think if you store your cans in a safe location, away from bumps, bruises and drops anything will last a long time.

Good luck.
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