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post #16 of 75
1/12/04 at 10:41pm
The K-1000 is very comfortable - you can adjust the headband to get the tension you like (forcing it apart ) But you cant really move around too much because the headphones will fall off your head.

I loved the fact that you can rotate the drivers to achieve the soundstage of your choice...from parallel to the ear and a more involving sound to near perpendicular and a very laid back, almost thaterical sound...like listening to an on-stage performance for real. Wear the headphones with R and L crossed and the drivers perpendicular to the ear and in front and its just amazing...

If I had the money...I would get the K1000 for the following reasons :-

1] Uniqueness
2] Snob appeal
3] Superb sound
4] Works great out of an emmeline XP-7 so if you have anything more robust you are good to go
5] Adjustable soundstage
6] Very clean sound and the bass is there...

The only downside is that you need ultraquiet environments to listen to your music - you can hear EVERYTHING thats happening outside
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post #17 of 75
1/13/04 at 3:42am
Just a reminder that you can slide the pads apart on the K1000's. Makes a huuuuuuge difference in comfort and stability. They're still a bit vice like in compared to my HD600's. But in hot weather, the K1000's can't be beat.

If I were faced with spending $700 ?! for an HE60/HEV70 combo or buying Brand new K1000's for $500, (and still having to get an amp) I'd go for the Baby Orpheus IMO. If you like the HD580/600 sound, the HE60 is only better. More open, clearer and higher highs, tighter lows.

Even getting a used pair of K1000's for around $350 (best price I've seen) will still leave you with trying to get an amp for it for around $350. That's not leaving you with very good options for powering the K1000's. Unless you are a tube fan, you're pretty much SOL in the solid state department.

I've been interested in hearing what the K1000's sound like with the Fisher 400, but I don't think I want to deal with a high maintenance vintage amp. Plus, the last fully functional and restored one went for $450 on eBay.

-Ed
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post #18 of 75
1/13/04 at 3:47am
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Originally posted by gsferrari
you cant really move around too much because the headphones will fall off your head.
If you slide the pads apart (it kind of rachets out) it will hold on quite well. Far better than Grados. OK, well anything will hold on better than Grados.

I can move around alot quite fine with my K1000's on. But I have a pretty big noggin.

Just don't go headbangin.

As far as dedicated solid state headphone amps, the Grace 901, AKG SAC K1000 are really the only top games in town. Although I have heard about a higher impedance Gilmore made specifically for the K1000's.

-Ed
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post #19 of 75
1/13/04 at 4:05am
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Originally posted by Edwood
If you slide the pads apart (it kind of rachets out) it will hold on quite well. Far better than Grados. OK, well anything will hold on better than Grados.

I can move around alot quite fine with my K1000's on. But I have a pretty big noggin.

Just don't go headbangin.

As far as dedicated solid state headphone amps, the Grace 901, AKG SAC K1000 are really the only top games in town. Although I have heard about a higher impedance Gilmore made specifically for the K1000's.

-Ed
Actually, Peter's Grados were especially stretched out. My SR-60's hold on just fine... In fact I could headbang with them (although I'd be far more likely to dance then headbang).
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post #20 of 75
1/13/04 at 4:16am
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Originally posted by Edwood
Just a reminder that you can slide the pads apart on the K1000's. Makes a huuuuuuge difference in comfort and stability. -Ed
Yes, I did try it, but still feel painful. Maybe K1000 put all the force on two small pad, but HD600 have a big pad.
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post #21 of 75
1/13/04 at 6:05am
Thread Starter 
Are Stax 2020 as detailed as K1000s? I need an answer to this before I decide!
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post #22 of 75
1/13/04 at 6:34am
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Originally posted by marios_mar
Are Stax 2020 as detailed as K1000s? I need an answer to this before I decide!
This is VERY depend on what kind of amp you use on K1000. Maybe you should tell us what is your budget, then we will HELP you to spend your money!! We are good at it!!!
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post #23 of 75
1/13/04 at 8:25am
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I will be using a late seventies Tandberg (2X30W) for the AKGs.

Which is going to be better and more detailed?

SRS-2020 or the AKGs ?

And which one has more detail potential?

How would Stax 2020 comare to HE60 by Senn?

And lastly are electrostatics good for rock. I like rock too.
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post #24 of 75
1/13/04 at 9:48am
The He60s do rock well,never heard the 2020s.
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post #25 of 75
1/13/04 at 10:13am
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Are Stax 2020 as detailed as K1000s?
No. The 2020 system is very pleasant, if a bit rolled off in the highs. For many people and systems this is not a bad thing, especially on price-matched components (source, IC's). It has decent bass too. These are the most like the HD580's in sound, and in many ways better. Overall, a nice balanced sound. Plastic ontruction is a bit cheap feeling though. I've often wondered what the headphones (202's) would sound like with a better amp, like a KGSS.

The K1000's are less forgiving, requiring careful matching of other components to sound 'balanced'. It is worth the effort if you have the time and money, and can use such open cans.

The HE60 with it's matching Sennheiser amp is a much 'faster' sounding headphone than the 2020's. A bit too 'sizzly' in the highs for me, and not nearly as refined as the HE90's. But that was only a brief impression from a meet.

I never had a comfort problem with any of them.

Hope that helps a little. I'd say define your budget a bit better. You will go crazy trying to decide what to get if you are all over the place as far as what you are willing to spend.
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post #26 of 75
1/13/04 at 11:55am
Hi,

Thanks for this interesting discussion. I'm thinking too about getting headphones in this class.

Is the Sennheiser HE60/HEV70 not available anymore? It's not displayed on the Sennheiser homepage (the Orpheus is)
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post #27 of 75
1/13/04 at 12:11pm
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Originally posted by Claude
Hi,

Thanks for this interesting discussion. I'm thinking too about getting headphones in this class.

Is the Sennheiser HE60/HEV70 not available anymore? It's not displayed on the Sennheiser homepage (the Orpheus is)
The Orpheus and baby Orpheus stopped being available around 2000 - 2001 IIRC. The he90 on the other hand , can still be found in stores that never sold the one( lol who would carry more then that!) they got in stock from years ago. Also sennheiser still seems to have a couple he90's ( there quoted price is 7500 but have heard to go down to 3000 if you offer them candy lol). The baby Orpheus sold better then it's 14k dollar brother and a lot of people bought them. I've seen a couple for sale, but only 2 of which that where in good condition.
So if your looking for a he60/hev70 your not going to find one by putting up a flier at your local supermarket .
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post #28 of 75
1/13/04 at 12:54pm
Thread Starter 
So in terms of detail/quickness

K1000>HE60>stax 2020 right?


Is the electrostatic experience worth or not for a person who likes hard rock too?
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post #29 of 75
1/13/04 at 1:09pm
Thanks chefguru,

I was thinking of getting a used pair anyway. High end audio is great for buying used, the owners usually care about their equipment and they want to get rid of it fast to make place for new stuff
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post #30 of 75
1/13/04 at 1:27pm
oops - edit
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