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Hello Head-fiers,

 

I've been using this site for about a year now to help me in my search for a great listening experience. Currently I own the ATH-M50s without any amplifiers of any sort. I am embarrassed to admit that my knowledge of amplifiers is extremely limited. And in this case, I am confused as to what I would need to power the HD650s.

 

Could I, for example, purchase a Little Dot MKIII and the phones and be set? Or would I need a 'DAC?' Not really even sure what a DAC is really. Let me just summarize my questions in a few points here:

 

1. Can I just purchase an amp and the headphones, or do I need something else (DAC)? 

 

2. Could anyone recommend amplifiers in the 200-250 dollar price range? I'm looking at the Little Dot MKIII and the Matrix M.

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I used to have mk3 which is good with hd650, alternatively,matrix m-stage is very nice:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Matrix-m-stage-Headphone-Amplifier-Amp-/350369229247?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5193a229bf.

 

If you need both a dac and a amp , have a look at this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Matrix-mini-i-24-192-Balanced-DAC-Headphone-Amp-/350270613894?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item518dc16986

 

All mentioned above are well rated at this forum.

 

Dac is a device converts digital signal to anolog signal that can be sent to amp for amplication.  CD players, blue tray disc players all have built in dacs. If you are using any of those as a output source dont have to get a dac.

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I used to have mk3 which is good with hd650, alternatively,matrix m-stage is very nice:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Matrix-m-stage-Headphone-Amplifier-Amp-/350369229247?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5193a229bf.

 

If you need both a dac and a amp , have a look at this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/Matrix-mini-i-24-192-Balanced-DAC-Headphone-Amp-/350270613894?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item518dc16986

 

All mentioned above are well rated at this forum.

 

Dac is a device converts digital signal to anolog signal that can be sent to amp for amplication.  CD players, blue tray disc players all have built in dacs. If you are using any of those as a output source dont have to get a dac.

 


Thanks for your response! I'll certainly look into these...

 

If I'm using a PC to play Flac files, do I need a DAC?

 

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Thanks for your response! I'll certainly look into these...

 

If I'm using a PC to play Flac files, do I need a DAC?

 


I think unless you have a very good internal sound card, you need a DAC to play FLAC files from your PC. I have a somehow similar situation, where I use my Ubuntu PC-> Onkyo U-33SE USB DAC -> Little Dot MKIII -> HD650rolleyes.gif Or you could get a decent DAC/Amp combo, IMHO.

 

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Get a FiiO E5.

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Hello Head-fiers,

 

I've been using this site for about a year now to help me in my search for a great listening experience. Currently I own the ATH-M50s without any amplifiers of any sort. I am embarrassed to admit that my knowledge of amplifiers is extremely limited. And in this case, I am confused as to what I would need to power the HD650s.

 

Could I, for example, purchase a Little Dot MKIII and the phones and be set? Or would I need a 'DAC?' Not really even sure what a DAC is really. Let me just summarize my questions in a few points here:

 

1. Can I just purchase an amp and the headphones, or do I need something else (DAC)? 

 

2. Could anyone recommend amplifiers in the 200-250 dollar price range? I'm looking at the Little Dot MKIII and the Matrix M.

 

Alright, let's do the basics.

 

What is a DAC?:

-A DAC is a Digital to Analog Converter.  When music is stored in files, it's data, 1s and 0s.  Your headphones can't see 1s and 0s, they can only see electricity.  A DAC converts 1s and 0s into an electrical signal that is used to move a transducer in your headphone.

-A DAC can be implemented in one of two ways: As a chip in a device, or as a dedicated box that sits on your desk.  Your PMP of choice (iPod, Zune, Cowon, iRiver, whatever) has a DAC chip in it.  Same with your laptop motherboard, and same with a dedicated soundcard.  In short, anything that has a headphone jack that you can plug your headphones directly into has a DAC.

-So, if everything you can plug your headphones into has a DAC already, why get an external DAC solution, vis-a-vis a box that sits on your desk?  Well, some people just don't find the sound quality of the onboard DAC chip suited to their tastes, leaving something to be desired.  Hence, he/she invests in aforementioned standalone DAC box.  The DAC accepts digital signals, via USB, optical and coaxial, and whatever other digital inputs it may have.

 

So whether or not you need a DAC is really a personal choice.  The HD 650 are damn good headphones, and I believe they are deserving of a DAC.

 

I am going to go ahead and assume, at my own peril of course, that you know what an amplifier does, at least in the most basic rudiments of its function.  If this is not the case, please let me know, and I'll do my best to explain that too.  Suffice it to say, headphones that are not adequately driven by the headphone jack on a laptop, PMP, etc. (i.e. high-impedance headphones) will sound far better with amplification.  The HD 650 will need amplification to sound anywhere near as good as they can.  You've already caught onto this, hence asking for advice on what to amp it with.

 

If you're looking for a good quality DAC/amp all-in-one solution, I'd recommend the Audio-gd NFB-12 (Link: http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB12/NFB12EN.htm).  It's a pretty well-regarded piece of gear on Head-Fi, and it comes at an absolutely staggering performance-to-price ratio.  The only thing that might be a slight sticking point with Audio-gd right now is that demand is outstripping supply, so some people have been forced to wait for their orders.  I'd get in touch with them before ordering anything to see if they'll be able to ship it out in any timely fashion.

 

If you'd still rather stick with buying only an amplifier right now, then you have a ton of choices.  The world is your oyster.  At your price range, though, I'd probably pick something solid-state over something that uses tubes.  You'll get much better bang for your buck.

 

Welcome to Head-Fi and sorry about your wallet!

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Can just get a cheap mini to rcas cable to hook computer up with the ld mk3 amp through the headphone out. Computer has a built in dac"" which is the sound card.

 

if want a further improvement of sq, you need a external dac which are normally better than the sound card. All sources have dacs, but people think they are not good enough. They wanna get their own favorite dacs to take place of the built-in ones.  Normally it goes like this: Source (PC. CDplayer etc. with/without dac) --->Amp --->headphones. The better source you have the better sq you can have out of your amp for the hd 650s.

 

Audio gd's products are very nice but it takes so long to wait.(up to 5 months waiting time as far as I know) . if don't mind waiting that would be one of top quality stuffs you can achieve.
 

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Thanks for your response! I'll certainly look into these...

 

If I'm using a PC to play Flac files, do I need a DAC?

 



 


Edited by fdhfdy - 5/17/11 at 1:06am
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im gonna suggest a knuckle ball for u. go on your local CLs & find a fairly minty vintage Pioneer SA series (7500-8500 will do jussss fine) integrated amp in full operational condition. shouldnt cost u anymore than $50-$100 or so. cleaning, lubing & minor adjustments (DC offset & Bias) are very minimal both in cost & effort.

 

if your pc has a optical spdif out, get a Muse NOS Mini 4xTDA1543 DAC off ebay for $60 shipped.

 

this Muse MiniDac>Pioneer SA amp>HD650 will provide a slice of heaven that should keep u happy for a very long time provided u keep the upgraditis bug in check. my Pioneer SA7500 (cost me a whole $50) drives my 650 very well & better any 'dedicated' amp that i've had/heard. non of the dreaded senn veil nor slowness nor flubbyness here. infact my 650 is the very opposite & i find it a mite bass 'lite'!

 

IMO the $60 Muse is as good as anything upto $500 esp when coupled with a few simple mods. look it up on the Muse thread. while not world class its still very very nice for $60. 

 

last but not least, enjoy! 


Edited by scottiebabie - 5/16/11 at 4:10pm
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