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post #106 of 120
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I had my Decco2 (same amp section) at about 9 - 10 with the D7000, and ~2 with the HE 500.

 

The sound was just a little too laid back for me, although I love the Peachtree line.

post #107 of 120

Yeah it seems it was better suited for higher impedance headphones. On low gain, I can turn the volume all the way upto 3 - 4 on my Apache with the Denons and the LCD-2. I prefer it this way since I have better control of the volume. 

post #108 of 120
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Originally Posted by brasewel View Post

What's the voltage on the Peachtree? If the volume is maxxed at 8:30 it's probably meant for higher impedance cans.


I don't know what the voltage is.  On my 60 ohm Q701s I can get to about 10:30 depending on the source.

 

post #109 of 120

 

I am considering buying the D7000s. Before I do, however, I want to be sure that I will be completely satisfied. They are expensive enough that I would want them to be my last purchase (or at least the last for a very long time.)

My question for D7000 owners, then, is: Are you completely satisfied? Do you ever find yourself wishing that you had saved up for some T1s or HD800s or something like that instead?

(If it helps, my musical tastes are wide ranging but my favorites tend to be electronic and bass-heavy. Particular examples include Radiohead, Massive Attack, and Ladytron. I listen to some jazz, but no classical at all.)

 

All of my listening is currently done through the headphone output of a (non-portable) CD player. That works well with the ATH-A900s and HD380s that I have now, and would likely work well with the Denons also. If I were to try something like T1s instead, however, then I would likely need an amp as well. That is one reason why I might prefer the Denons, but I am willing to save up if it is necessary.

post #110 of 120
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Originally Posted by catsndogs View Post

 

My question for D7000 owners, then, is: Are you completely satisfied? Do you ever find yourself wishing that you had saved up for some T1s or HD800s or something like that instead?

 


Catsndogs, none of my phones make me completely satisfied. (Overall, the JVC DX1000 comes closest to that ideal.) Still, if it's any help, when I have the D7000 on my head, do I feel that I'm getting less enjoyment than I get from the HD800? Answer: Definitely not! But when I'm listening to the HD800, on the other hand, depending on the material, I know I'm being short-changed in the bass. I'm not saying I prefer the D7000, however, as there are areas -- airiness and comfort, for instance -- where the HD800 beats the D7000. So, no clear preference here. Which, I suppose, answers your question as far as I'm concerned! wink.gif
 

 

post #111 of 120
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I've never found myself completely satisfied by one pair of headphones either. Since writing this review I have pretty much started the journey over and am looking at it from a different angle this time.

 

I think I'll always feel the need for a single open and a single closed pair of headphones. As of now, I own the HD 598 (which I now consider the best price/performance headphone ever), and the Pro 750. The D7000 could very well be a repurchase way down the line for me as they were an excellent closed headphone (and as the title said) the king of fun. They are just a really great headphone to rock out with.

 

As for satisfying you completely? Only you can answer but to be honest I don't think it will ever satisfy you completely.
 

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Catsndogs, none of my phones make me completely satisfied. (Overall, the JVC DX1000 comes closest to that ideal.) Still, if it's any help, when I have the D7000 on my head, do I feel that I'm getting less enjoyment than I get from the HD800? Answer: Definitely not! But when I'm listening to the HD800, on the other hand, depending on the material, I know I'm being short-changed in the bass. I'm not saying I prefer the D7000, however, as there are areas -- airiness and comfort, for instance -- where the HD800 beats the D7000. So, no clear preference here. Which, I suppose, answers your question as far as I'm concerned! wink.gif
 

 



 

 

post #112 of 120

Well I went from the D7000s to the T1s. The Denons were just too limited for my broad musical taste so I bought the T1 to complement them. Bass was simply too much for many genres and the soundstage lacking. Turns out the T1s are fantastic all rounders and my D7000s have been relegated to late night movie watching. Still good cans.
 

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Originally Posted by catsndogs View Post

 

I am considering buying the D7000s. Before I do, however, I want to be sure that I will be completely satisfied. They are expensive enough that I would want them to be my last purchase (or at least the last for a very long time.)

My question for D7000 owners, then, is: Are you completely satisfied? Do you ever find yourself wishing that you had saved up for some T1s or HD800s or something like that instead?

(If it helps, my musical tastes are wide ranging but my favorites tend to be electronic and bass-heavy. Particular examples include Radiohead, Massive Attack, and Ladytron. I listen to some jazz, but no classical at all.)

 

All of my listening is currently done through the headphone output of a (non-portable) CD player. That works well with the ATH-A900s and HD380s that I have now, and would likely work well with the Denons also. If I were to try something like T1s instead, however, then I would likely need an amp as well. That is one reason why I might prefer the Denons, but I am willing to save up if it is necessary.



 

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Originally Posted by catsndogs View Post

 

I am considering buying the D7000s. Before I do, however, I want to be sure that I will be completely satisfied. They are expensive enough that I would want them to be my last purchase (or at least the last for a very long time.)

My question for D7000 owners, then, is: Are you completely satisfied? Do you ever find yourself wishing that you had saved up for some T1s or HD800s or something like that instead?

(If it helps, my musical tastes are wide ranging but my favorites tend to be electronic and bass-heavy. Particular examples include Radiohead, Massive Attack, and Ladytron. I listen to some jazz, but no classical at all.)

 

All of my listening is currently done through the headphone output of a (non-portable) CD player. That works well with the ATH-A900s and HD380s that I have now, and would likely work well with the Denons also. If I were to try something like T1s instead, however, then I would likely need an amp as well. That is one reason why I might prefer the Denons, but I am willing to save up if it is necessary.



I own the D7000 and love it but the T1 is much better. i use the D7000 usually in early morning or at night when the TV is on. I also like the different presentation which is warmer but the T1 is my reference can when i really want to listen to music but I do enjoy my D7000.

 Make no mistake  also the D7000 loves to be amped as well to get the most out of them.

post #114 of 120


I have to agree. Before I bought the T1s I thought I would be using both equally - not the case. Since getting the T1s I don't use the D7000s at all for music. I'm a bit of a basshead and the T1s do much better in this area to me, having better depth and much more control than the Denons.

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I own the D7000 and love it but the T1 is much better. i use the D7000 usually in early morning or at night when the TV is on. I also like the different presentation which is warmer but the T1 is my reference can when i really want to listen to music but I do enjoy my D7000.

 Make no mistake  also the D7000 loves to be amped as well to get the most out of them.



 

post #115 of 120
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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

They are just a really great headphone to rock out with

The D7K is definitely a great all-around headphone for me.
post #116 of 120
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After owning the HE 500 I realized I liked mid emphasis rather than bass emphasis even though I listen to primarily EDM. I'd still call myself a bass head because I enjoy heavy bass headphones, but I value the mids more now.

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Originally Posted by MorbidToaster View Post

They are just a really great headphone to rock out with

The D7K is definitely a great all-around headphone for me.


 

 

post #117 of 120

You mentioned that you have played them just out of an iPod. Do you think you could expand on that a little bit? I do not know much about impedance and all those technicalities when it comes to headphones, but it appears as though the higher the impedance, the harder something is to drive. (This is pretty consistent with my understanding of impedance... All from grade 11 physics, lol.)

That said, I read that the D7000s have an impedance of only 25 ohms at 1khz. As a point of comparison, the HD650s have an impedance of 300 at the same frequency... So that means these are 12x more "sensitive" to being driven by lower powered devices like iPhones/iPods? If so, that brightens my day a little bit.

 

Here's the real question: How bad is the sound when driven by an iPod alone ? I travel a lot, so it's impossible for me to carry around a headphone amp, hence why I have had to steer away from HD650s and other good headphones and stick to the IEM market.

 

How would you compare the unamped D7000s to IEM sound? Is it clearly superior, even though it's not running at maximum potential? If so, I just want to see a net gain in sound quality compared to these IEMs. I'll think about a headphone amp sometime later in the future. (I am listening to higher end IEMs like the Earsonics SM3, Westone UM3X and the Shure SE530s, so you can use those as a point of comparison.)

 

The reason why I'm so intrigued is because I have become so disappointed with the limits of IEMs. I am paying top dollar for these high end IEMs, yet when I even listen for a moment to some low end closed headphones (like random Boses), I already feel like my IEMs are getting a run for their money. I'm so disappointed and upset by it; I've just been wanting to switch. IEMs don't seem worth the money.


Edited by Pepper - 9/18/11 at 4:16pm
post #118 of 120
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I travel a lot, so it's impossible for me to carry around a headphone amp

If you can carry a mobile phone you can carry a portable amp such as the FiiO E7.

The Denon D7K will work fine without a amp but a amp definitely makes them sound better.
post #119 of 120
Thread Starter 

Judging by your profile I'd say you don't have enough experience with higher end IEMs to think you're getting even close to the wall yet.

 

I kind of understand where you're coming from. The D7000 straight out of an iPod will be no better than most IEMs a fifth of its price. It CAN be powered out of an iPod, but it benefits greatly from amping. On the other hand, IEMs sound closer to their potential with much less power.

 

I'd recommend trying some of the 'lower end' customs. 1964(s) maybe?

post #120 of 120
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Originally Posted by Pepper View Post

You mentioned that you have played them just out of an iPod. Do you think you could expand on that a little bit? I do not know much about impedance and all those technicalities when it comes to headphones, but it appears as though the higher the impedance, the harder something is to drive. (This is pretty consistent with my understanding of impedance... All from grade 11 physics, lol.)

That said, I read that the D7000s have an impedance of only 25 ohms at 1khz. As a point of comparison, the HD650s have an impedance of 300 at the same frequency... So that means these are 12x more "sensitive" to being driven by lower powered devices like iPhones/iPods? If so, that brightens my day a little bit.

 

Here's the real question: How bad is the sound when driven by an iPod alone ? I travel a lot, so it's impossible for me to carry around a headphone amp, hence why I have had to steer away from HD650s and other good headphones and stick to the IEM market.

 

How would you compare the unamped D7000s to IEM sound? Is it clearly superior, even though it's not running at maximum potential? If so, I just want to see a net gain in sound quality compared to these IEMs. I'll think about a headphone amp sometime later in the future. (I am listening to higher end IEMs like the Earsonics SM3, Westone UM3X and the Shure SE530s, so you can use those as a point of comparison.)

 

The reason why I'm so intrigued is because I have become so disappointed with the limits of IEMs. I am paying top dollar for these high end IEMs, yet when I even listen for a moment to some low end closed headphones (like random Boses), I already feel like my IEMs are getting a run for their money. I'm so disappointed and upset by it; I've just been wanting to switch. IEMs don't seem worth the money.



OK Pepper, I own a pair of D7000 and have used them straight from my iPhone and actually found them to be quite nice even without a good amp. Then they just get better with an amp. But they really are not all that portable so if your only using them in a portable fashion I think you will quickly find their size is just to much. BUT if you want them for at home and occasional portable use then I think you would be very happy with them.

 

Looking at your IEM list I haved owned the S4 and own the SM3 and both of those are definitely going to be blown away by the D7000 even unamped. The S4 has pretty decent bass quantity but lacks detail and sound stage. The SM3 (and from what I read the SE535 and the UM3X) has a good soundstage and detail but like many BA based IEM's just lack the oomph and texture you get in the bass of a dynamic based IEM, and at least the SM3 and the SE535 also have relatively rolled off treble as well, so again the D7000 will sound better and actually has a much larger sound stage than all of them as well.

 

Personally I bought my D7000 for pretty much the same reasons your looking now and am very happy with it. Having said that I still ended up needing an IEM for portable use. In my case I ended up getting the VSonic GR07 and feel it is a baby brother to the D7000 sonically speaking. It certainly spanks the heck out of my SM3 as it has much better bass and treble and verfy close to the same level of detail as the SM3. It doesn't have the SM3's unique sound stage but I actually prefer a traditional sound stage anyway. Bang for the buck I think it's one of the best IEM's on the market competing with the big boys in sound while having a reasonable price tag to boot, and it really doesn't need an amp to sound it's best.

 

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