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post #91 of 541
Do the current models 7-9 each have a specific purpose or intended use or goal or something that new 7-9 models would try to follow? I cant really see any myself they dont even seem like one is really any better than another theyre just different. So I dont see how this could be a refresh of the whole line.
post #92 of 541

7 - Closed

8 - Semi Open

9 - Open

 

That's pretty much it.

 

T70 - Closed

T1 - Semi Open

?? - Open

 

Don't see the need for a T80, would just be a slightly better Dt880 or a slightly worse T1.

 

Only thing missing from beyers range is a fully open Tesla driver headphone.

post #93 of 541
I currently have the DT250 and while I found them soso in the high and also they don't go very low, I really really really like the fact that they are over the ear ultra light headphones without to much clamp....

I just don't understand those 300-400g dynamic headphones... it's so heavy on the head...

Really anybody think the same as me???

Do they think that by making them bulky and heavy it will seem like a better phone???

Same thing with the LCD2..

Really can't believe that i might buy a 1300$ headphone that fill like a brick on my head and neck
post #94 of 541
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Originally Posted by EddieE View Post

7 - Closed

8 - Semi Open

9 - Open

 

That's pretty much it.

 

T70 - Closed

T1 - Semi Open

?? - Open

 

Don't see the need for a T80, would just be a slightly better Dt880 or a slightly worse T1.

 

Only thing missing from beyers range is a fully open Tesla driver headphone.


I see.  Well the T1 is in a different price range and different market all of it's own, so it doesn't fill the semi-open position next to the T70.  Seems like they'll probably come out with a T80 and T90 then as well.  And I would guess they would then price them at the 300-500 range and keep the DT line in the 200 dollar range.  That way they capture the most market.  As long as they sound good enough to be 3-500 dollars....

 

post #95 of 541

Good point, but do you really think there is a place sound wise for a semi open T80 fitting right between DT880 and T1... I find that rather unlikely. I would rather kill the old DT range, of course, if the new Tesla serie is worth it....
 

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I see.  Well the T1 is in a different price range and different market all of it's own, so it doesn't fill the semi-open position next to the T70.  Seems like they'll probably come out with a T80 and T90 then as well.  And I would guess they would then price them at the 300-500 range and keep the DT line in the 200 dollar range.  That way they capture the most market.  As long as they sound good enough to be 3-500 dollars....

 



 


Edited by shamu144 - 6/9/11 at 1:23am
post #96 of 541

Yeah, I think there's a place.  Since the Tesla drivers are faster than the DT drivers, they don't need to be bright like the DT's do to be detailed.  They could voice them differently, to be detailed, but also warmer and more natural and neutral.  But that's not likely looking at the Beyer lineup.  They like their treble. 

post #97 of 541



 

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I see.  Well the T1 is in a different price range and different market all of it's own, so it doesn't fill the semi-open position next to the T70.  Seems like they'll probably come out with a T80 and T90 then as well.  And I would guess they would then price them at the 300-500 range and keep the DT line in the 200 dollar range.  That way they capture the most market.  As long as they sound good enough to be 3-500 dollars....

 


 

Yeah and I guess they have the T5P as a high end closed tesla offering too (although from bits and pieces I've read they've not been received that well).

 

Having all three ranges DT, lower T and upper T would seem a bit over kill though.

 

I could see them releasing T70, T80, T90, and then some high end opened one for the T1/T5P price point to complete that trilogy, and then doing away with the DT series and dropping the prices of the lower T phones to fill the gaps.

 

EDIT: Sorry just noticed Shamu already made kind of the same point - need to learn to read to the bottom of the page before replying!
 

 


Edited by EddieE - 6/9/11 at 5:06am
post #98 of 541


 

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Yeah and I guess they have the T5P as a high end closed tesla offering too (although from bits and pieces I've read they've not been received that well).



 

Due to a fairly rare and unpopular type of sound they produce I would guess.

post #99 of 541


Indeed, but if Beyer's intention is really to get rid off the old DT770/DT880/DT990 serie, they better wait some time before introducing the rest of the Tesla line to see if demand meets expectations with their newer T70/T70p.... I have the feeling both the T5p and T50p are not really a sucess so far. 
 

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Having all three ranges DT, lower T and upper T would seem a bit over kill though.

 



 

post #100 of 541

I haven’t heard either but the consensus seems to be less than enthusiastic. Perhaps a bit of a rush to get them out? The DT1350 seems to have gone down well though (quite tempted to give it a go) so let’s hope they take those closed tesla learnings into the T70...

post #101 of 541

Yeah, that sound is called "A pretty good compromise at getting an iphone to sound reference without any help" until its character is changed completely with a big boy source and amp, and 120 extra ohms in the headphone jack, then it really shows its stuff. The guy you got into that flame war didn't test that. And he might well say he wouldn't need to because it shouldn't need that and who wants to use an adapter? Nevermind the brand's own amp isn't 0 ohm, but 100. That should be an indication.

 

I agree a bit. If it didn't make a wonderful compromise on its own, AND my amp didn't have a 120-ohm headphone input, it would annoy me. But my usage and gear is such that it fits in well, no problems, and in fact audio bliss. I got them to really push it to an overhyped extreme with poorer sources, and to stretch itself out once plugged into something proper when I get that chance 2% of the time. If you use proper gear more than 2% of the time, just get the T-1, I'd say. Different cans for different uses.

 

And whoever thinks the Beyer updates end with the T70, I hope to see you around when the other inevitable updates start surfacing.
 

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Due to a fairly rare and unpopular type of sound they produce I would guess.



 

post #102 of 541

I think the issue is that they've advertised them as portable headphones, so they are setting their benchmark as how it sounds on a portable player.

 

I won't judge the T5P until (or if) I get to hear it, but if it didn't sound ideal on its intended mendium, beyer have to accept the criticism for it.


Well, it's off topic anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what their second shot at a full sized portable (T70P) sounds like.

post #103 of 541

Isn't T5p meant for portable use ? Your observation kind of defeat the function of that product, probably something Beyer's marketing team wouldn't be very happy about. As for the character change out of a big boy source and amp, I would hope this hold true for any decent quality headphone.

 

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Yeah, that sound is called "A pretty good compromise at getting an iphone to sound reference without any help" until its character is changed completely with a big boy source and amp, and 120 extra ohms in the headphone jack, then it really shows its stuff. The guy you got into that flame war didn't test that. And he might well say he wouldn't need to because it shouldn't need that and who wants to use an adapter? Nevermind the brand's own amp isn't 0 ohm, but 100. That should be an indication.

 

post #104 of 541
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Originally Posted by plainsong View Post

Yeah, that sound is called "A pretty good compromise at getting an iphone to sound reference without any help" until its character is changed completely with a big boy source and amp, and 120 extra ohms in the headphone jack, then it really shows its stuff. The guy you got into that flame war didn't test that. And he might well say he wouldn't need to because it shouldn't need that and who wants to use an adapter? Nevermind the brand's own amp isn't 0 ohm, but 100. That should be an indication.

 

I agree a bit. If it didn't make a wonderful compromise on its own, AND my amp didn't have a 120-ohm headphone input, it would annoy me. But my usage and gear is such that it fits in well, no problems, and in fact audio bliss. I got them to really push it to an overhyped extreme with poorer sources, and to stretch itself out once plugged into something proper when I get that chance 2% of the time. If you use proper gear more than 2% of the time, just get the T-1, I'd say. Different cans for different uses.



 

My search has not ended on T5ps and am still trying to find something that will give good SQ and will be very portable - hence - I tried ESW10 and ES10s and now am awaiting a pair of DT1350s. Will see how I like these. 

 

Whatever anyone says though, I like the sound of my T5ps and do not mind the fact that they require an amp at all. 

 

If I find a better pair of headphones or at least as detailed sounding as T5ps and with sound sig to my liking and considered portable I will gladly replace my T5ps as still they are pretty big for portable use. I really hope DT1350s will be what I am looking for, but comparing the prices I doubt it will happen. 

 

No one can decide for me whether I should like a certain type of sound signature or not, it is not their problem with anyone likes. 

 

As for different uses for different headphone I agree too - I have some gear now and if all goes well I will buy a pair of T1 or LCD2s soon to have them ready at home when I get there as I would like to separate my portable and home rigs. In this case I can allow a bit of compromise in the portable department because I still would have the home rig that would be my go-to listening station.

post #105 of 541

T70 is listed at $597.45 on the Beyerdynamic website.  T70p is the same price.

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