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post #181 of 553
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Originally Posted by EddieE View Post

I really don't think any differences are going to be remotely audible. 

 

The T1, edition 8, RS1 all measure more THD+noise than the T70P and who honestly hears any distortion or noise on those headphones? I don't.

 

Those two.

 

Yet, human ear (or should I say brain) is much more attuned to intermodulation distortion and can spot this at much lower levels.The frequency bandwidth of the distortion also matters quite a bit, as does the placement of the distortion along the frequency range.

 

But all this complicates measurements, in fact making them really difficult to do for headphones.

 

But if one wanted to look at (or to measure) distortion that matters, one would go for IMD, not THD. Actually specific type of IMD at low volumes, low-masking probability, high non-linearity.

 

EDIT: In fact, IMD is one of the crucial masking factors for complex passages loosing definition and becoming muddy, jumbled or hard to separate the sounds from each other.


 

 


Edited by halcyon - 8/22/11 at 7:53am
post #182 of 553

Definitely interested to see how it compares to the DT1350 which I've been a massive fan of since receiving (bigger and more comfy would be a nice thing for sure!)

 

Fingers crossed to see what people reckon once they start getting their hands on them, and hopefully they'll soon be shipping to the UK!

post #183 of 553

The measurements make them look like they will be at least moderately harsh. 

post #184 of 553

 

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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils View Post

The measurements make them look like they will be at least moderately harsh. 


FR-wise I think the measurements make it look like there is a risk they will be, depending on what you're listening to. Any headphone where the 10k spike goes higher than the midrange that risk is there, but everything before that point on the frequency response looks laid back and relaxed so hard to say what they'll actually sound like on the average track. 

 

When the track hits that spike though... yeah... you may have a point...

 

With a closed system though the possibilities for solving problems with adjustments to damping is enormous though, so they remain very much interesting to me.

 
post #185 of 553
So im about to go for some nice light macassar ebony thunderpants...

Soundwise anybody think its a good or bad decision against T1.. or T70.

Need a little push to make my move smily_headphones1.gif
post #186 of 553
Done thunderpants on their way...

Might go T1 or LCD2 rev2 eventually for another open pair with better soundstage and imaging.

I wish beyer would have released more demo T70 pair to reviewers or something..
post #187 of 553
Still no word at all on when mine will be available...Moon Audio doesn't have their shipment yet last I heard from Drew...
post #188 of 553
for the replacement of one of the most popular beyers cans DT770

T70 with tesla technology with the hope of fat bass

4-5 months from announcement to shipment of the first pair with no real reviews is too long in my opinion.

They should clearly revise their marketing strategy.

Should be 2 months max..
Edited by sinae - 8/21/11 at 7:47pm
post #189 of 553

This is not the cheap stuff from China, we are talking about hand made high class headphones from Germany. In this case the wait gets another quality I think.

post #190 of 553
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Originally Posted by sinae View Post

for the replacement of one of the most popular beyers cans DT770

T70 with tesla technology with the hope of fat bass

4-5 months from announcement to shipment of the first pair with no real reviews is too long in my opinion.
 

 

It's a German company. Get used to it :)

 

It's not a DT 770 replacement, as per measurements, the bass looks to be fairly well in balance, definitely not in the DT 770 level.

 

I'm really looking forward to this can, much more so than the T5P or the overpriced T1.

 

post #191 of 553
I understand what you mean but in my opinion marketing wise to much wait before first shipment isnt good for the simple reason that attention span from audiophile is limited with so much gears everywhere smily_headphones1.gif

I wanted this can since i saw it announced. So I had to come back check this thread and the web every weeks and even now nobody received their pair..

Its my humble opinion really, if they are german and want to do the opposite. Its their choice and I don't care..

already ordered my custom made thunderpants smily_headphones1.gif

Still all big audio companies are the same and they always do this.. for small companies that want to create a hype I understand but its different for big companies..

Its in my opinion a wrong way to keep clients hook..
post #192 of 553

Someone did received it but never commented on the audio. He just flashed his Youtube video.
 

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Originally Posted by sinae View Post

I understand what you mean but in my opinion marketing wise to much wait before first shipment isnt good for the simple reason that attention span from audiophile is limited with so much gears everywhere smily_headphones1.gif

I wanted this can since i saw it announced. So I had to come back check this thread and the web every weeks and even now nobody received their pair..

Its my humble opinion really, if they are german and want to do the opposite. Its their choice and I don't care..

already ordered my custom made thunderpants smily_headphones1.gif

Still all big audio companies are the same and they always do this.. for small companies that want to create a hype I understand but its different for big companies..

Its in my opinion a wrong way to keep clients hook..


 

post #193 of 553

Partially share your opinion,

Tesla should patented his name because it's often used to sell overpriced products.

It is pretty ironic that Tesla did not want to materialize his inventions in the first place.

 

Back to the subject, don't think that this will be grounded product after all they have to protect T1 price.

 

 

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I'm really looking forward to this can, much more so than the T5P or the overpriced T1.

Edited by loopfreak - 8/22/11 at 2:26pm
post #194 of 553
T1 is about in front out of head 3D soundstage and pin point imaging..

and i fear the T70 will suffer a lot in this department compare too T1... (because of not angled drivers)

I wonder if I should ask smedgy to angle the drivers a little bit in my thunderpants..

here a post about T1 angled drivers
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4.15 degrees angle driver: it seems much different than senn's , not try to "simulate a speaker at a particular location" , but try to avoid creating reflections from the outer ear,and optimize "out of head location"?
post #195 of 553

Smeggy has said that he tried angled drivers and it didn't do much.  AFAIK

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