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post #346 of 366
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Originally Posted by ib1dance View Post

They would be on my 'want to check out list' ,but sometimes I'll need better Isolation than I've read the fx-700 will provide .I think later on when I've got some free cash I will get the fx-700 for when I'm in environments that don't require as much isolation .But having said that I usually then go for open headphones anyway .

 

In those circumstances, the EX1000 is worth a very close look. wink.gif

post #347 of 366
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Looks like there might just be 1 other contender destined to join the ring... wink.gif

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In those circumstances, the EX1000 is worth a very close look. wink.gif



Eventually, maybe, my priority right now is finding a  I.E.M with Good isolation that is more suited to my personal freq signature . 

 

Anyway another review that agrees with your particular choice in I.E.M's 

 

http://anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15243

 

SM3 1st out of 55 I.E.M's including EX1000's .

 

Though again highest rated  dynamics with the isolation I will need are the IE8's .Though no monsters were tested .

 

My best course of action would be to listen to the SM3, then if I wanted more sub bass to go for the Monster Turbines .

 

But alas! I've just read this review 

 

 

 

Quote:http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Turbine-PRO-High-Performance-Speakers/product-reviews/B002EL4RIE/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
the weight of the monster buds render them to being used only when not being highly active, here the senn ie8 wins hands down. 

A secure tight fit is very important for me . It's going to have to be the I.E.M's that are designed to go over the ear . So SM3 or IE8 .And since IE8 keeps getting referred to as having a lack of clarity it's going to have to be the SM3 .

 

 

 

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Bass: This is getting ridiculous! tongue.gifIt's going to be extremely difficult to narrow down my choices. If the W4 and the IE8 had a hybrid, they'd have named it after the SM3. The SM3 is right dab in the middle; it has brilliant detail and clarity, and definitely pack a punch, with a clear hint of the impactful sub-bass as well. Once again, to my surprise, it absolutely trumps the W4 with regards to bass, and is a very, very close second to the IE8 (with the IE8 dial tuned to the lowest settings of course).

 

 

That sounds like just what I'm after ksc75smile.gif

 


Edited by ib1dance - 5/29/11 at 1:02pm
post #349 of 366

i really may have to revisit the SM3 one day i think

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Might I suggest wearing them over the ear? That's what I do when I use them :) 

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A secure tight fit is very important for me . It's going to have to be the I.E.M's that are designed to go over the ear . So SM3 or IE8 .And since IE8 keeps getting referred to as having a lack of clarity it's going to have to be the SM3 .

 

The SM3 has been very picky with music for me on where it works well. Take note the rule of YMMV still applies, but i've auditioned the SM3 multiple times during little meet ups we've had and I don't know if I'm just stubborn or something but it's always resulted at this:

 

Genre's where it's awesomely wicked : Jazz, Acoustic, Electronic music, Classical,

 

Genre's where it's not so much so : Heavy Metal, Punk Rock, Hardcore, well mainly most forms of rock where you get to head bang

 

Since those "Genre's where it's not so much so" comprises a good chunk of my library, it turned me off from acquiring the SM3. With the proper music, the SM3's are like sitting in front of a fireplace with the music playing beside you.

 

They also get better when you listen to them longer, but they just don't work on those head pounding riffs and cymbal crashes. They are weird during the first 2 minutes or so, and then your ears adjust to it's lush and veiled sound signature.

 

So if you're going from entry or mid, or this is going to be your first IEM, by all means PLEASE audition it first since there is a good chance that you may not like it over the other top tiers. I find that the Dynamic Top Tiers such as the IE8 and Turbines along with the TF10 are easiest to appreciate to going from a lower tier iem.

 

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Looks like there might just be 1 other contender destined to join the ring... wink.gif



Ooooooooh popcorn.gif

post #352 of 366

I agree with most of the posters that the SM3 isn't the best choice to get into high end IEM's, but at the same time, I don't think it's a terrible choice either... double edge sword really.

 

For some the other sound signatures might be more "welcoming" to a newbie, but at the same time, if the SM3 is your first experience, then perhaps you are not conflicted with any past experiences to challenge the lush, semi-veiled characteristic of the SM3, so maybe in these cases, listeners won't even need a prolonged duration of "brain-burn in" or any burn in at all.

 

Just a thought and my .02 cents.
 

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Originally Posted by i2ehan View Post

Looks like there might just be 1 other contender destined to join the ring... wink.gif


I'm guessing this is going to be the SM3 v.2?  Just a hunch ;)

 

 

post #353 of 366
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I agree with most of the posters that the SM3 isn't the best choice to get into high end IEM's, but at the same time, I don't think it's a terrible choice either... double edge sword really.

 

For some the other sound signatures might be more "welcoming" to a newbie, but at the same time, if the SM3 is your first experience, then perhaps you are not conflicted with any past experiences to challenge the lush, semi-veiled characteristic of the SM3, so maybe in these cases, listeners won't even need a prolonged duration of "brain-burn in" or any burn in at all.

 

Just a thought and my .02 cents.

I'm guessing this is going to be the SM3 v.2?  Just a hunch ;)


Bingo my friend! That's exactly what I was getting at. It could very easily go either way. Not to mention, the already infamous love/hate relationship (rather, hate/love relationship). tongue.gif

 

Indeed, it was the V2, as per my avatar. Having discovered that only 2 weeks ago, the SM3 V2 was a mere $365 (compared to it's current $430 tag), I've postponed my purchase. I don't have any complaints whatsoever with my current SM3, and am more than willing to wait it out until someone gets the opportunity to A/B the original and V2 side by side. smile.gif

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Sorry, I haven't checked in to IEM section for a while, and I just noticed this Thread. Great review (especially if this is your first time writing reviews) and I enjoyed reading it.

 

Like always 99.9999999% of the threads here will always end up with the same conclusion (YMMV or TO EACH HIS OWN) ..... I am glad you have found what you were looking for.

 

 

But here is something thats bothering me:

 

 

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Originally Posted by i2ehan View Post

What I'm about to say may come to a surprise to many. I've given it much thought, and many of you may not be aware of just how many hours I've spent with each IEM. In fact, you'll hear the worst of it from my siblings! tongue.gif  Regardless of the W4 having remained my top pick through and through, there wasn't a single day where I didn't go back and try to  give an equal opportunity to each of the remaining contenders, with the exception of the IE8's, CK10's and DBA-02's, all of which I was confident enough to say weren't the absolute best suited for my taste. And so, without further ado, I've made my decision. Yes, the countless undocumented hours I've spent with each IEM gave me ample time to decide which one best fit the sound I was after. Alas, a decision has been made, one that I'm fully content with. I'll post it here at exactly 12 midnight EST. etysmile.gif


You mention that you have spent countless undocumented hours with each IEM, BUT you are selling all of your IEMs in the For sale section (Following is a copy-paste, of what you have in your AD)

 

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Westone 4: I'm the second owner, and according to the first, the W4 went "barely used", to which I had no hard time believeing, as the condition was practically new, and has remained so. I've put in maybe 15-20 hours tops of my own. I'm including everything that was provided to me originally, as is pictured. The only things the original seller left out were the Westone attenuator (for which I had little to no use for anyways), and the medium sized dark gray silicone tips as well as the large comply foam tips, which I personally used and have left out for obvious reasons (unless you absolutely need them). All included tips remain unused by me. Asking price is firm at $380 (exactly what they cost me).

 

Sony EX1000: Once again, I'm the second owner. As stated by the original owner, "Bought in Feb, with everything included( 2 earphones cables, box, leather case, a box of tips)." They're in excellent condition, just as I had received them. The included cable and case remain untouched, still sealed. These earphones are Sony's top of the line, and are very hard to come by, and as pictured, include all 10 pairs of Sony Hybrid + noise cancellation tips, which I personally never used . See pictures for all details. Asking price is firm at $425.

 

Monster Miles Davis Tribute: These are 100% genuine, and protected under Monster's lifetime warranty. They have been used for less than a week, and have roughly 5 hours of use tops. Everything is included, as pictured, and they are still in mint condition! The supertips packets were cut open only to check whether any of them offer me a comfortable fit. I tend to use my own Comply foams with all my IEM's, so they all remained unused after that. Asking price is firm at $225.

 

Monster Turbine Pro Copper: They were used for maybe 10 minutes, just to see how they compared to the Miles Davis. They're practically still brand new, and everything is included (as pictured). Please refer to the pictures above. Asking price is firm at $180.

 

SE535 (bronze): I'm the second owner, and according to the original owner, they are less than 6 months old and have been used "very little", to which I added at most 2 hours. I believe these were recieved as a brand new replacement from Shure. They are in pristine condition, and look virtually new. They're 100% functional, and only the included tips show marked signs of use. Please refer to the pictures above for all that's included. Asking price is firm at $375.

 

UM3X (non-removable): As the second owner, they are in excellent, like new condition, exactly as I received them. They've got about 280 hours of use, and come in box with the original unsed comply's, as pictured. Refer to the picture above; what you see is exactly what you get. Asking price is firm at $250.

 

TF10: As pictured, they're practically new and in box. They've probably been used for a total of 3-4 hours. The cable is a brand new replacement cable directly from Ultimate Ears (cost me $30 shipped). Adapters, tips, warranty card, it's all there. Asking price is firm at $150.

 

Sennheiser IE8: These were purchased brand new, about a week ago, and have been used for less than an hour. Hence, they are virtually brand new, everything included! Asking price is firm at $250.

 

 

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How can you put less than an hour on IE8 and call it quits? IE8 really changes after 75 hours. I really noticed drastic differences.

TF-10, same story.

W4 , same story.

EX1000? How many hours on those?

Copper Turbine, 10 mins?

 

SM3 might be good right out of box, and that could make a big difference. (Sorry, I have never had a chance to hear SM3, but your review has suggested me to pick one up). Each IEM has different technology, for example EX1000 has 16mm polymer diaphragm that really loosens up around 150 hours and you really get to hear deeper soundstage and very euphoric.

Others have some bio-celluose technology..... and so on.

 

Each one will take time to adapt over time, and you must get comfortable with the fit. At the end of the day, Getting the right fit is the name of the game.

 

One has to really take care in writing an independant (no bias) review and give a plain level field to all the contenders (You must listen to different genre's). Try listening to other genre (other type of music you cannot stand or find it boring/annoying). That is when true details are understood, because you were not looking for that detail in that song, and yet it presented itself with that details on that particular IEM. In other words, don't just listen to the music that you prefer.

 

I just don't see what you mean by countless hours spent with each IEM (when you spent merely 10 minutes on some and 1 hour on others. W4 at most 20 hours)

 

 

PS: I sincerely request you to not take this in a negative manner. I am really glad you found what you were looking for, and I am not arguing that SM3 are good OR not good, but merely requesting you to take a deeper dive.

 

 

 

post #355 of 366
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I won't take it negatively my friend. I sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding I may have caused anyone. Misleading anyone trough my ad was the absolute farthest thing from my posted ad. What I've posted is inclusive of only the hours I've put in, while the oiginal sellers put in their own hours. The above quoted statement was very bad use of exaggeration on my part. I apologize for that. With the exception of the IE8 and SM3, all the IEM's I purchased were purchsed second-hand, and I was personally content in judging which sounds best to my ears. With regards to the IE8's, I've owned them in the past for nearly 2 years, prior to my leap into the top tier showdown, and their signature is nothing new to me. Regarding other areas where the earphones weren't exactly "burned-in", up until my SM3's, I always had more of a "brain burn-in" belief, rather than listening for an actual burn-in change.

 

What I've written applies solely to me, and may not be of use to anyone else here. I'd have no problems going back and giving as much attention as I possibly could devote to each o the contenders, but time does not permit me to do so. In fact, I'm willingto bet that if anyone here knew my lifestyle, it'd leave most in shock that I went in as far as I did. My belief is firm; if I'm content with the ay an IEM sounds, regardless of it being straight out of the box or not, it's only bound to get "better" with time. I was quite fond of the Sm3 from day 1 (as can be found with my initial impession), and it wasn't until I received 2 PM's pretty much challenging me to expose them to 50 hours of burn-in. And so I did. I'm content, and again, am sorry to have misled anyone here. redface.gif

post #356 of 366
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I forgot to address the statement regarding the EX1000. Be it 10 or even a couple 100 hours in, it's not the sound of the EX1000 that made me look the other direction (in truth, I'm a huge fan of the signature), it's the lack of a good seal and cancellation, two considerably crutial factors for me, in the long run.

 

With regards to the different genres, I'd like to mention here that my write-up was based solely on what it was I was trying to achieve; finding an IEM best suited for my taste, my taste being strictly trance & progressive. This is indeed my absolute first write-up with regards to anything audio related, period. I consider myself a novice at best, and am sorry I couldn't make up for in writing, what I lack in knowledge/experience. I tried to simply get my point across, in terms of what my ears heard, and never intended for the write-up to be a sure-shot guide for anyone but me. I did mention of course at the very end of my impressions that my write-up may be of use to some inclined towards one top tier versus another, but I don't consider it by any means as a reference guide. There's far better and much more experienced reviewers here that provide excellent, in-depth reviews that may even be a guide for some as to what differs from what, down to the nitty gritty.

post #357 of 366
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It was a mistake on my part my friend, to which I wholeheartedly apologize. My judgement was solely for my intents and purposes, and the posting at midnight was all in good fun.


Edited by i2ehan - 5/29/11 at 7:38pm
post #358 of 366
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Than to all reading this, I hope that you're willing to forgive me and accept my sincerest apology.

post #359 of 366
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My statement here regarding the hours put in was a very bad use of exaggeration, and it's for that I ask that everyone accept my apology. The hours listed under the FS section reflect the exact amount I put in myself, nothing more. I've never mislead anyone with my sales (be it here or anywhere else), in any way or form, and I certainly don't ever intend to. smile.gif

post #360 of 366

In fairness for the OP, it is still a valid impression on how the iems are compared according to his/her own knowledge. As you may know that even new audiophiles as myself (or not if you point it that way or maybe a audio enthusiast) want to express something through these products. And this thread for him is the first step on how this is done.

 

We know it would take the beginners too much of an experience hearing a lot of audio gear, or experiencing and describing each products that they want to compare. But still a lot of headfiers want to hear their comments/impressions, one way or another. It's up to them if they approve or disapprove it, once they experience hearing it. As I read some of the posts in this forum, even the top reviews of |joker| or ClieOS does not have consensus on the individual. IMO It should be the individual deciding headphone for his/her own ear.

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