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post #331 of 366

nice , very nice! gave me good info about the DBA-02

post #332 of 366

nice , very nice! gave me good info about the DBA-02

post #333 of 366

True, but there were no iems with "broken signaures". As some may use EQ, it is because they prefer it better than the stock. But still there are distinct qualities of iems that are not solved by EQing.

 

I'm never a fan for V-shape sigs like W3, but if time permits to hear them again with a DAP like J3, I might consider them again.

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Sometimes as with my nano, never Eq, Sony well thats another story. again, I NEVER got the bass bleed into the mids with the W3. That would be a problem. I have read a bit about it however. Only with the huge long Comply's can make the bass a bit muddy and hide a bit of the details. As far as Broken signatures? These are all so nice, I don't consider any of them broken sigs, I love my 535's as much as my W3's. This is why our Friend I2eahan had such a hard time choosing, one "broken" sig, amy be another's paradise



 

post #334 of 366

and I just read this thread after placing an order for my first high end IEM (first time i pay more than 10$ for an IEM). It was an SM3. God Im happy :D!!

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That's quite a jump my friend! While your experience may be nothing like what I, and quite a few others, experienced, my only advice is this: don't judge a book by it's cover. wink.gif It took some convincing before I learned the very same myself, else I may have overlooked a decision I couldn't possibly be more content with! Though it's highly unlikely that the SM3 won't appeal to you right out of the box, since it's your very first high end earphone. In fact, I'd be content with any of the top tiers in your position to be honest, without much to compare to. That's only assuming you haven't had an opportunity to hear or demo others. Congrats my friend, all the best! smily_headphones1.gif
Edited by i2ehan - 5/28/11 at 11:45pm
post #336 of 366

I wouldnt say that's a good decision for your first top tier imo. It's something that's mature and grows on you as you listen to it. 
 

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and I just read this thread after placing an order for my first high end IEM (first time i pay more than 10$ for an IEM). It was an SM3. God Im happy :D!!



 

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True, but there were no iems with "broken signaures". As some may use EQ, it is because they prefer it better than the stock. But still there are distinct qualities of iems that are not solved by EQing.

 

I'm never a fan for V-shape sigs like W3, but if time permits to hear them again with a DAP like J3, I might consider them again.



 

Maybe, but some may also be due to poor recordings
 

 

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Several of the above iems get "similar bass extension" as the W3 maybe even deeper. Personally I found the extension (with comply) of the TF10, MPTC,MPTG and if you can hear them some of the more critical/analytical types like the Ortofon and Etymotic ( though the treble response is so prevalent it's hard to discern at times). It's hard for many of us to get past the warm upper bass of the W3 to hear the rest of the range. Too much for many. TF10 with good tips or the Monster line for that subwoofer "punch" imo. 

 


With what you have written you have kind of triangulated my theory's. The Ortofon Q5's had" the bass extension, as I've tested it out using a sine wave ,though as you said "

 

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the treble response is so prevalent it's hard to discern at times

 

 

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 It's hard for many of us to get past the warm upper bass of the W3 to hear the rest of the range

 

 

A blend of the two signatures is what I want . Though the I.E.M's that get good reports of great mid - treble seem to also attract as many reports suggesting it's at the cost of the bass .And vise verse, those proclaiming the best I.E.M's for bass have as many suggesting it's at the cost of the treble .

 

 

 

since you have  heard the w3 and Ortofon a I have I will assume the TF10 or the monster line may be the middle ground I'm listening for . Also I'd consider the ie8 though there isolation may not be enough for me .

 

I'm thinking I should either check out the SM3's ,monster turbine pro or ie8 .Not sure about the TF10's .They look similar in design to some Ultimate ears super bass or mega bass or something bass which I still have collecting dust , which were awkward to fit .

 

 


Edited by ib1dance - 5/29/11 at 9:45am
post #339 of 366
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I wouldnt say that's a good decision for your first top tier imo. It's something that's mature and grows on you as you listen to it. 
 



 

You think you're happy now?? Just wait. Many many people that Love music, love the Sm3's read a zillion posts. (maybe not that many)
 

 



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and I just read this thread after placing an order for my first high end IEM (first time i pay more than 10$ for an IEM). It was an SM3. God Im happy :D!!



 

post #340 of 366

Oh and BLL00 View PostAlmost everyone here has been so helpful, kind and a deep love for music. There are a couple of Killjoys lurking around...It's your ears not anyone elses

post #341 of 366


Dude, I am not hating or anything, just stating from my experience and facts redface.gif

 

The sm3's are definitely GREAT but they are not a good first forray into top tiers. Even the OP said so, so PLEASE if you will.

 

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Oh and BLL00 View PostAlmost everyone here has been so helpful, kind and a deep love for music. There are a couple of Killjoys lurking around...It's your ears not anyone elses



 

post #342 of 366
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I'm thinking I should either check out the SM3's ,monster turbine pro or ie8 .Not sure about the TF10's .They look similar in design to some Ultimate ears super bass or mega bass or something bass which I still have collecting dust , which were awkward to fit .

 

 



If you are thinking of the ie8 then you should consider the fx-700. It has one of the best basses, trebles, and soundstages out of any iem while having one of the clearest midranges and almost un matched timbres.

I'm a big fan of forward midranges though. The fx-700 has a more linear or slightly recessed midrange (as do the ie8 and most others u are considering getting). If the fx-700 had a more forward midrange and maybe a touch less treble then they would be absolutely the best sounding iems in existence bar none.

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Originally Posted by Freefallr4545 View Post



It's funny I keep reading this thing about the W3. Mid Bass Hump and such. The possible issue with the Westone 3 is it is very tip dependent (like all others except maybe more) Comply will give you the MB Hump, Large Olives brings out a much tighter punch, Soft Flex, less bass Quantity but Better Quantity, more pronounced Mids and Highs. Olives are made in Heaven with the W3, Comply's while I like them too, muffle the beautiful highs, and bring out a tad more mids, and a bit more Bass. My Experiences anyways, as also with many others that helped me work with this W3 Masterpiece.  When I want the Sub bass feel that Ib1Dance requests, for (your type of music) Depending on the quality of the Recording and Mix) I bring the Mid bass down a notch Sometimes high mids/low treble down a notch on my Sony E345, and Clear bass up a notch (maybe two) Depends if I want my brains to rattle, Large shure Olives for impact....fuggettaboutit

 

 


Maybe I should play about with some different tips.To get a seal with the W3's I've had to mod the large single silicon flange and extent the length so they insert deep inside my ear canal.Though that does get me a nice air tight seal.

 

I'm not knocking W3's @ all they surely are up there with the top I.E.M's . As has been mentioned b4 when  comparing audio at high quality I.E.M levels the difference may come down to personal choice of what type of frequency signature you prefer and obviously your ability to hear certain frequencies ( I'E - Don't play the bright I.E.M's too loud for too long or you'll be forever searching for brighter I.E.M's to make up for the hearing loss!) .

 

But having heard the CK10's & EQ-5's I believe there is a I.E.M with a frequency signature that I will prefer above the westone 3 . Wether it has been made or not is another issue .


 


Edited by ib1dance - 5/29/11 at 10:45am
post #344 of 366

 

 

Ditto on this, but they are not practical because of the isolation and short cable :( they sound really good though, but I still prefer the Coppers over these as I find the bass on the FX700 uncontrolled.
 

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If you are thinking of the ie8 then you should consider the fx-700. It has one of the best basses, trebles, and soundstages out of any iem while having one of the clearest midranges and almost un matched timbres.

I'm a big fan of forward midranges though. The fx-700 has a more linear or slightly recessed midrange (as do the ie8 and most others u are considering getting). If the fx-700 had a more forward midrange and maybe a touch less treble then they would be absolutely the best sounding iems in existence bar none.



 

post #345 of 366


 

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If you are thinking of the ie8 then you should consider the fx-700. It has one of the best basses, trebles, and soundstages out of any iem while having one of the clearest midranges and almost un matched timbres.

I'm a big fan of forward midranges though. The fx-700 has a more linear or slightly recessed midrange (as do the ie8 and most others u are considering getting). If the fx-700 had a more forward midrange and maybe a touch less treble then they would be absolutely the best sounding iems in existence bar none.


They would be on my 'want to check out list' ,but sometimes I'll need better Isolation than I've read the fx-700 will provide .I think later on when I've got some free cash I will get the fx-700 for when I'm in environments that don't require as much isolation .But having said that I usually then go for open headphones anyway .

 

 

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