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post #271 of 366
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Originally Posted by i2ehan View Post

After some time spent A/B-ing both the Copper's and Tributes, I've come to the following conclusion:

 

Treble: The Tributes are definitely a tad brighter than the Copper's, and thus are ever so slightly more prone to sibilance. Sibilance on the Copper's is next to nonexistent, though it's rarely ever an issue with the Tributes. I personally prefer the Tribute's slightly more prominent and pronounced highs, as it's not at all excessively bright and only adds life to the track.


Woah woah woah.  I think you have the Coppers inserted too deep.  They like more air to breath so try pull them out further on the verge of falling out.  you'll find your treble there.  A bit too much treble if you ask me.  

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post #272 of 366
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Woah woah woah.  I think you have the Coppers inserted too deep.  They like more air to breath so try pull them out further on the verge of falling out.  you'll find your treble there.  A bit too much treble if you ask me.  

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Maybe this was answered already, but how are the isolation with these (Both) Thank You

post #273 of 366
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Maybe this was answered already, but how are the isolation with these (Both) Thank You


Pretty good, I used to use mine for flying.  See joker's ratings.

 

I would say ES5>ER4>530>=DBA (deep insertion)>Monsters

 

post #274 of 366
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Pretty good, I used to use mine for flying.  See joker's ratings.

 

I would say ES5>ER4>530>=DBA (deep insertion)>Monsters

 



Wow, So as Anaxilus stated above, are these suppose to have non deep insertion? These are striking my curiosity now. I may Love this Sound Sig for sure

post #275 of 366
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@Anaxilus: I'm only speaking in direct comparison to the Tributes my friend; I don't at all find the Copper's "lacking" in any regards, including the treble, and I hope no one here assumed that was the case. biggrin.gif

 

@Freefallr4545: I have absolutely no complaints, as the comply's do an exceptional job for my ears. This applies to both, since the same tips were used.

 

As an update, after exposing my SM3's to exactly 50 hours of pink/white noise (a combination of both played on repeat at roughly 50% volume on my clip+), I played the exact same tracks I had heard prior to burn-in. Is there a difference in what I hear now and what I heard before? I must admit, there is indeed, without a doubt. The signature seems to have "opened up", and not nearly as veiled as it had sounded a few days back. As much as I'd like to say it's more brain burn-in than not, I specifically remember where I had felt they sounded veiled to my ears, and they've significantly opened up; though in direct comparison to the W4/Tributes, they still sound veiled to my ears. Needless to say, the lush mids of the SE535 are unmatched for my ears, though the Shures come closest. I noticed just today that the manual included with all my Monster IEM's indicates, at the very end, a burn-in notice, stating that the sound is bound to improve as you listen. Regardless, I wouldn't say it's set in stone, and to each his own, but what I'm hearing is indeed much more pleasant sounding than what I initially heard, from when they were listened to brand new, right out of the box. I was always fond of the SM3's, and will once again give them an extended listen, in order to determine if what I'm hearing now is enough to reconsider them above the W4/Turbines/both. smile.gif

post #276 of 366
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Compared to my Ortofon's everything else I have is "veiled". Very sharp treble response. I am a bit sensitive to higher frequency response, goes back to the titanium versus silk dome tweeter days for me. The treble clarity in these is unlike any other I've heard. Compared to those the SM3 are veiled indeed. But as far as the soundstage conversation, I already assumed it was being used as an alternative meaning. UM3's do not have a wide soundstage in the accepted definition. 

 

Funny how the "pinnacle" or best at any one category (or even many) is not necessarily the one that wins out to the individual listener. 



I thought the W4 sounded "veiled" compared to the CK10 when I first heard them.

Which Ortofon do you have? How do they compare to the CK10?


 

Don't have nor have had CK10 so I can't comment. I have the e-q5. Very similar to the Etymotic ER4 but without the treble roll off if you can believe it. Seem to produce ridiculously high frequencies. Slightly warmer than the ER4. In a way they kind of sound like how I expected the ER4P to sound, but MUCH more efficient.

 

Great for detail and some music forms. Less mid biased as the Grado GR8 is

post #277 of 366
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Originally Posted by i2ehan View Post

@Anaxilus: I'm only speaking in direct comparison to the Tributes my friend; I don't at all find the Copper's "lacking" in any regards, including the treble, and I hope no one here assumed that was the case. biggrin.gif


Yes I know.  The Coppers have more treble than MDs, no question.

 

post #278 of 366
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On similar account as to what I'm hearing now with the SM3, there are quite a few occurences where other listeners experienced the very same; to quote a few:

 

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average_joe: And to be honest, at first, I was thinking "what the hell did I just spend $425 on?" Burn in, tips, getting used to the sound sig, who knows. But they sound so much better now, and clearer also.

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SolidVictory:

Over the next half hour, I played a variety of tracks, and listened to the SM3 very critically. It seemed that the SM3 was improving with every track to my ears. This did not make sense to me, at all.

 

It appeared that the vocals were getting wetter, more alive, and detailed. The initial bass impact that I found to be lacking was getting tighter and more textured. I recognized texture in the bass that I never found with the IE8s, the bass was rich and very, very well detailed. The highs were, however, still not as extended as I found the IE8s to be. Nevertheless, after my brief audition, I put the SM3 down and knew in the back of my head that these were going to surpass my other IEMs over time. With the half-hour brain burn-in that I experienced, I could only imagine what I was going to think of these IEMs weeks down the road.

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LRY32: so far i got it only 3 weeks ago and upon taking it out, it sounded (IMO) lacking in bass and a little tinny. but within the 2nd week, it really did CLICK for me as mentioned by a fellow head fier - it sounds so downright immersive, with the studio like recording soundstage, as i you are jamming with the band; as if you could feel their presence. now when i have understood (or would people usually say, brain break in,) i loved my SM3s.
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Martin Sägmüller: Back to the beginning: first time I stuck the SM3 into my ears, my initial reaction was that I absolutely despised their sound. All I heard was a muddy, veiled mess with exaggerated lower midrange, yet lacking deep bass, and no treble at all. I was shocked to say the least. Since the SM3 use balanced armature drivers, I knew they won’t change much – if at all – with some driver break-in, contrary to how many dynamic driver phones behave. So I thought it’s my brain that has to “burn in” to the SM3’s sound signature instead – because I just couldn’t believe anyone would design an IEM on purpose that sounds so bad right out of the box. There must be more to it… and boy, there indeed is. It just needed some time until I ‘understood’ the SM3. It took me almost a month until I had to acknowledge to myself that they’re far from being a piece of junk, and actually quite the opposite: they’re some real reference monitors, all serious business – yet they’re rather ‘musical’ at that, if not euphonic sounding. Which of course is somewhat of a paradox – but then again there’s more than one when it comes to describing the SM3.

 

post #279 of 366

Theres nothing wrong with the impressions, but directly attributing to it to BA burn-in will be wrong way to go about it. Considering so many IEMs you're going through, I will specially attribute that to mental burn-in. The SM3 is also tricky because it's very detailed but it's hard to notice it if you're not used to the sound signature or when you don't look for those things and end up seeing them afterwards due to other IEMs. 

 

Really, try the coppers with a relatively shallow insertion and it will brighter. To do so more easily and properly you will need double-flange tips imo. Try the meelec sets, they'll be useful for both the MTPC and MDs anyway. 

 

 


Edited by Inks - 5/27/11 at 5:48pm
post #280 of 366
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I'm only intrigued by the many similar findings, and as mentioned earlier, nothings set in stone. I'll give the Copper's another listen, with a shallow insertion this time; but my ears do not at all agree with the flange tips (double, triple, whatever), they don't do well with me.

post #281 of 366

Had the same issue before, pulling the ear a bit more to open the canal helps inserting those double flanges. Sometimes some twisting is also required once they're in. 

post #282 of 366
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To be fair, I tried both the Tributes and Copper's with a shallow fit, and to my ears, they begin to sound quite similar. Nonetheless, I respect what others may hear relative to what I'm hearing. Moving on... smile.gif

 

Oh, and I think everyone should give this track a listen; it'll put you in the state of trance! wink.gif


Edited by i2ehan - 5/27/11 at 6:34pm
post #283 of 366
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I've found that much of the way the SM3's signature presents owes to the angle of the nozzle to which the tips are attached. In order to center the sound relative to the positioning of my ears, I inverted the earpiece, so to speak, to that the nozzle now aims the tips up instead of down. While they look strange, there's no fit issue and the results... well, beyond expectations to say the least. I won't get into it however, otherwise, the criticism will never come to an end. Albeit, I'm enjoying them now at a completely different level. wink.gif

post #284 of 366
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What I'm about to say may come to a surprise to many. I've given it much thought, and many of you may not be aware of just how many hours I've spent with each IEM. In fact, you'll hear the worst of it from my siblings! tongue.gif  Regardless of the W4 having remained my top pick through and through, there wasn't a single day where I didn't go back and try to  give an equal opportunity to each of the remaining contenders, with the exception of the IE8's, CK10's and DBA-02's, all of which I was confident enough to say weren't the absolute best suited for my taste. And so, without further ado, I've made my decision. Yes, the countless undocumented hours I've spent with each IEM gave me ample time to decide which one best fit the sound I was after. Alas, a decision has been made, one that I'm fully content with. I'll post it here at exactly 12 midnight EST. etysmile.gif

post #285 of 366

So does this mean that once you've posted your final thoughts, you're finished with buying new IEMs for good?

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