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post #856 of 883
I think I might end up saving up and replace my aging, battered pro5v's for the pro700mk2
I liked the sound profile of my pro5s compared to m50s and it seems like the pro700s are similar, just way better.
These little pro5s sound way better with the thicker padding, but after 5 years of nonstop 6hr a day 6 days a week they are wearing out. The left side has a rattle likely from a missing screw.

So anyways, my question, pro700mk2 a good upgrade for crappy cheap pro5s, in terms of sound profile?

One other thing I should mention is my lack of a portable amp. Honestly I cant justify buying one since my note2 with a modded kernel has a lot of killer audio tweaks to play with. Ive ramped up the headphone output to the front point of becoming deaf to everything, almost ear splittingly loud, without distortion. My ears tingle from heavy bass if I so wish.

The pro5v have 40ohm drivers, but are smaller than the pro700s but have a similar db response, so I assume the pro700s will have more loud compared to what ive got, I hope. For a phone the dac inthe note 2 is suprisingly powerful once you root and install the right kernel. Default was so quiet and dull.
Edited by m4xwellmurd3r - 9/27/13 at 11:57pm
post #857 of 883
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Originally Posted by Trae View Post
 

Well, your receiver comes with a 24/192 Burr Brown DAC, so you're good in that area. As far as an amp, most receiver headphone amps are pretty powerful. For instance, my old Onkyo receiver is able to deliver more power than a Schiit Magni.

 

Your receiver should have some eq settings, like changing the bass level or gain. It may help if you use an equalizer on your computer to get the bass out. 

 

Now, if you want more power, you could always modify your speaker L/R channels to female rca, and then plug in a y-cable. That's the way I have it set up on my receiver, and it offers more power than any headphone amp out there without distorting. Much more. That power will undoubtedly bring out more bass on the pros. 

 

Back to the headphones, the Pros are bass lean out of the box. They're popular because they are able to take a lot of power and equalizing without having any mechanical distortions (well, less than other headphones). You need a good amp/dac, which you have, a good seal, which you may have, and you need to equalize them in order to get the bass out. If you do have a bass setting on your receiver, try maxing it out. If you're running foobar, download the graphic equalizer component, install it, and eq up the low frequencies. Play with the volume control on your receiver and foobar (or your music player), and find the sweet spot. The higher the volume is on your receiver, the bigger the signal can be sent through it from your computer, which means less distortion. 

 

You can also take a look at my old pro700mk2 bass mod in my signature. It's old, and some of the stuff in there is off, but it's a good reference. It may help you. 

 

My bass in the receiver was already set to +6db for my subwoofer. I copied everything you did in your signature with foobar in my copy except for the treble adjustment because the cymbals became very overpowering, set the volume very low on foobar and quite high on my receiver (the other way around there's a lot of distortion). It does make a big difference in sound, better bass and clarity. However then I plugged in my Portapro's again, and they sounded better again. The bass is deeper and more punchier than the pro700's. I've let more people listen and they all say the same thing. I can still try powering the headphones using my speaker channels, but I will have to order these first. (I can't power 2 sets of stereo speakers like in my old amp, so I will have to change cables everytime and also remove the subwoofer from the settings)

I don't think there's much more that I can try at the moment ?

Thanks for your help 


Edited by ForceArcher - 9/28/13 at 3:35am
post #858 of 883

Well there's nothing else I can think of. Those settings that were at the bottom of my little mod are pretty bad. I wouldn't use them if I were you. I didn't know how to equalize headphones properly back then. I guess from your experiences, the Koss Portas are bassier headphones than the pro700mk2. Kinda hard to believe, but hey. This is head-fi. Maybe Audio Technica tuned the driver to have less bass. I remember when I got my pros back in Feburary 2012, they had decent amounts of bass. I broke those and picked another pair up the following year, and those had more bass quantity stock, but I returned those because I had better headphones. 

 

If you're thinking of returning the headphones to get other ones, you can go over to the Basshead Club to see what they have to say. A couple of headphones that come to mind is the Beyer DT770 Pro 80, V-Moda M-100, and the Denon D600. You can picked these up used from amazon for relatively cheap, especially the beyers. I haven't heard any of them, but those headphones come to mind when people want bass. 

post #859 of 883

I will be returning them since my Portapro's sound better there's not much use for them.

I can't order used items from amazon in the eu. Wish I could some headphones are cheaper over there.

So now i'm thinking to get the Ultrasone HFI 580 or the Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro-80, all of them are almost the same price of the Pro700mk2.

post #860 of 883

Both are very similar when it comes to objective measurements, but the DT770 edges it out (DT770, HFI-580). My HFI-780 is pretty uncomfortable, worse than the pro700mk2. The stiff earpads hurt after a little while, and the headband digs into your head. The HFI-780 and 580 share the same headphone design, but have different drivers in them. 

 

Although I haven't listened to either headphone, I'd choose the DT770 based on comfort alone. 

post #861 of 883

I haven't heard the hfi-780, but have heard a lot of the ultrasone models...550,750,900...not a lot of bass quanitity...except for the 900. I didn't like the 900's quality of bass. I just picked up the 770-80 and it sounds very similar to the 900 without the sibilance. For the moment I am happy with the purchase. I've modded the 770's with blue tack and also created bass vents. It is a true joy if you are a bass lover, particularly subbass. The pro700mk2 is a monster, I don't know why people are saying there is no bass or quality. True, it isn't up to par with some of the models priced $100 dollars higher, however, the 700mk2 delivers bass and a high output of sound very, very well without distorting. I've now ordered LCD2 leather pads to attach to these, and can't wait to hear increases in soundstage and isolation.

post #862 of 883
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Originally Posted by Trae View Post
 

Both are very similar when it comes to objective measurements, but the DT770 edges it out (DT770, HFI-580). My HFI-780 is pretty uncomfortable, worse than the pro700mk2. The stiff earpads hurt after a little while, and the headband digs into your head. The HFI-780 and 580 share the same headphone design, but have different drivers in them. 

 

Although I haven't listened to either headphone, I'd choose the DT770 based on comfort alone. 

Than I will get the DT770 probably.

Thanks again :)

 

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Originally Posted by Eugguy View Post
 

I haven't heard the hfi-780, but have heard a lot of the ultrasone models...550,750,900...not a lot of bass quanitity...except for the 900. I didn't like the 900's quality of bass. I just picked up the 770-80 and it sounds very similar to the 900 without the sibilance. For the moment I am happy with the purchase. I've modded the 770's with blue tack and also created bass vents. It is a true joy if you are a bass lover, particularly subbass. The pro700mk2 is a monster, I don't know why people are saying there is no bass or quality. True, it isn't up to par with some of the models priced $100 dollars higher, however, the 700mk2 delivers bass and a high output of sound very, very well without distorting. I've now ordered LCD2 leather pads to attach to these, and can't wait to hear increases in soundstage and isolation.

The people I've been talking to here are saying that pro700's indeed do deliver a good bass, and can take equalization very easily without distortion. But that's not really what I am experiencing, to me compared to my Portapro's they deliver very little bass. Not sure if i'm hearing things in the Portapro's that aren't there, but if receive my DT770's and they still sound weak to me I guess the problem lays with me than :p

post #863 of 883

how do the m50 ear cups fit on the mk2 ?

post #864 of 883
I have just ordered my ath-pro700 after a used dt770 test with Fiio e07k. The dt770 just did not sound loud no matter what I did with the volume of Fiio or the PC. They must have been broken, defective or simply the 96 db spl and 80 ohms do need a better amp. Comparing to my Sennheiser hd212 32 ohm and 112 it was logical to sound weaker, but if I cannot drive them loud how can I see sound quality? And I am not a volume freak at all! Sadly, I do not have in my area a shop with sample Beyerdynamic headphones, so this is my only experience.
post #865 of 883

Just an update, yesterday I found out that when I set my receiver to "direct" mode the bass became much clearer and punchier. I'm now using these back instead of my Porta Pro's the ath-pro700 sound much better now :D

Wish I had tried that "direct" mode earlier.

post #866 of 883

hey if anyone would be interested.. i have two pairs of these both with the boxes, all original accessories + m50 pads ... in basically new condition.. I would love to give someone who really wants this beast a good deal on this truly awesome headphone! shoot me a pm if interested! 

 

 

post #867 of 883
So. Here's my issue.

I've got the ATH-PRO700 MKII. I replaced the stock pads with ATH M50 pads, like many people have, to improve the comfort, which it did.

Here's what I like about it.

Bass quantity and texture. Self explanatory. I'm kind of a basshead.

Highs aren't piercing at all at high volumes like they are with other headphones I've tried.

Detachable cable. This is a must.

They isolate moderately well. I need closed headphones.

Durability. They look and feel like they could withstand anything.

Portability. Size, rotation, and folding are nice.


However, I'm still wanting for more. Here are my desires, in decreasing order of importance.

The bass feels muddy, and I wish the instrument separation was better. I just wish the bass was sharper, more impactful, more clearly defined, with the same amount of bass. This might be impossible to replicate, but I had an experience where I was at a small concert, and in between bands they played radio rock music from some speakers that were installed at the venue. And oh my god did it sound amazing. You could tell each individual hit from the kick drum. It was sharp, not like the wall of muddy bass I too often hear. There was so much bass but it felt almost totally separate from the other frequencies, which were all there and sounded very good too. Now, I realize that this was probably accomplished through the use of dedicated subwoofers, but if a similar effect can be accomplished in closed headphones that would be awesome.

Similar to that is my desire for a larger soundstage. I realize this is a closed headphone, but other closed headphones are much better in this regard. Everything feels very cramped. I'm not looking for anything huge, just better than this.

More comfort would be nice. They clamp kind of tightly. But I can live with it.

Less leakage would be nice too, but again, I can live with the leakage of these cans.

Highs that are a little more lively would improve the sound, but I do realize that's hard to get without it being piercing and sibilant. I'd rather not have bright sounding headphones, unless it's not piercing and has a ton of tight, punchy bass.

I've had:

ATH-M50x - I really liked them when I had them but wanted much more bass and less piercing highs. When I compared side by side with the Pro700, I couldn't even stand the M50. This was what I felt like high end headphones should sound like though. Honestly, I'm not sure if it's separation or soundstage, but what I mean is that I can hear everything distinctly, there's a very nice reverb on drums, and even though the bass is a little light on more crowded songs, it's prominent than it otherwise would be because it's so distinct from the mids. But neither these nor the Pro700s that I'm currently comparing to sounded as good with crowded rock songs that had a lot going on at once as I'd have liked them to.

NAD VISO HP50 - Very comfortable, very clean sound, but a little too balanced. Too laid back and relaxed of a sound. Also felt very bright compared to the Pro700, but most cans would. Also pricey.

Ultrasone Pro 750 - I liked the sound signature but just wasn't wowed in general. I didn't try them out for long though, so I would be willing to give them another shot. I remember thinking they were harsh in the high end though. Also rather expensive.

Sony MDR-7520 - Same as HP50

Ultrasone HFI-580 - pretty much fell short to the ATH-M50 in all regards, and didn't have a removable cable.

V-Moda Crossfade LP / M100. I pretty much hated these. Muddy muddy muddy. Uncomfortable until I used the XL pads too. Good bass impact but didn't feel separate from the rest of the frequencies. Too expensive for the quality of sound they delivered.

I've never used an amp. I'm definitely willing to try a portable one, up to as expensive as a Fiio e12, as long as the headphones themselves aren't above $250.

If what I'm searching for doesn't exist I'm willing to buy two headphones - one closed for on the go use, and one open to accomplish what I'm looking for.

Let me know what you guys think. Thanks for your time.
post #868 of 883

Use the e11 with the pro700mk2's, without the amp the bass is very unimpressive, um the best headphone that meets all ur criteria i would say is the ultrasone pro 900's.. Epic non muddy bass, and sound great with every genre, but a bit pricey now that its discontinued.

post #869 of 883
Yeah, I've been told before that the Pro 900s are what I need. Expensive though, ugh. How do they compare to the Pro 750s? I might be willing to give those another try.

Would I need to amp the 900s?

I'm currently using a borrowed e6 with the MkIIs, using the mid-boosting eq setting on them. And oh my goodness it sounds amazing. It makes me wonder whether I'd have liked some of the other headphones I tried if I'd amped them.

How do the e6, e11, and e12 match up to each other? Would quality scale with price, because if so, I'd definitely want the e12.
post #870 of 883

Im not an expert by any means, but heres my 2 cents... Ive owned the m50's, mk2's (with m50 pads), and the pro 900( Alpha pads).. And have owned both the e6 and the e11.. The mk2's have GREAT bass quantity, out of the e11, eh OK out of the e6, and i simply dont like them un-amped.. The MAJOR drawbacks of the pro 700's are no soundstage, bad instrument separation, and just an overall slightly muddied sound.. The pro 900's.. um IMO i say they are the m50x's on steroids, basically everything 3x better, sound sound sig, much better soundstage (s-logic?), MUCH better bass, bass quality comparable to the he 400's but with much more impact.. Um xannot comment on 750s, as i have never listened.. The mk2's bass has slightly more impact, but seems a little um congested at times and pretty muddy.. As far as the amps go, BIG jump from e6 to e11, and the e12 is supposed to be also a nice improvement (especially in bass boost)  but overall the general consensus is that the e11 is the best value of the bunch.. Um the pro 900's i would say also benefit greatly from an amp, but bass distorts (with the e11) on high gain, with amp on %100 volume, with the phone past about 90% volume.. With the mk2's no distortion with e11, so they could handle the e12, while the pro 900's only need the e11. Haha just trying to explain the best i can :)

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