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post #16 of 46
Thread Starter 

RE262 vs DBA02?

post #17 of 46

DBA02 or B2.  You won't get the treble sparkle and detail up there from the RE262.  Plus it's a bit harder to drive properly.

post #18 of 46

RE262, no, but the RE252, yes.

 

The DBA-02 does sound like a good fit for you.  I personally feel the CK10 is a moderately more competent earphone.  There are certain shortcomings of the DBA-02 that does limit what it can do.  The CK10 simply portrays sound more fully and realistically.  Both are fast, but the CK10 is more detailed.  The DBA-02 is more aggressive and energetic though.  The RE252 comes into play too being similarly geared to the DBA-02 albeit fuller.  Despite being a dynamic, the RE252 is a very fast and highly detailed earphone and does come across a little better balanced and evenly presented than the DBA-02.  From a technical standpoint, I still see the CK10 as the superior product as there is very little that I can fault.  It is the most detailed and most realistic earphone I've used.  However, from a personal standpoint I did slightly prefer the RE252 over the CK10.  It was simply more forward and engaging whereas the CK10 is a little more of a passive listening experience.  The DBA-02, I did not like.  The lack of dynamic range, lack of decay and texturing, and poor sound stage really bugged me.  If you want to compete with the big boys, you can't really have these kinds of shortcomings.  At the time I owned the DBA-02, I happily preferred the RE-Zero over them which is cheaper, more natural, but certainly not as fast or detailed.  I personally view the RE252 and CK10 as superior products, and I am often hard-pressed to specifically suggest the DBA-02 because of this. 

 

This isn't to say the DBA-02 is a bad choice.  Frankly, it's a matter of personal preference.  The DBA-02 fits certain people really well, just like certain people really love the SM3 or Triple.Fi 10.  If the product fits you, it fits you.  "High level of detail, energetic treble, sounding clean and clear overall...clarity and detail is first, then mids, then bass...treble needs to be well extended"  For the DBA-02, it's yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.  It certainly does fit.  So does the RE252 though.  The CK10 might be less energetic than you're seeking although the treble emphasis could be perceived as that.  Both the DBA-02 and RE252 are forward and highly energetic, think Triple.Fi 10 treble and step it up a notch.  The CK10 caries the clarity and detail and even emphasis that can make it sound hot/spitty at times, but it's not as farward and aggressive.  It is more natural and correct though.  Both the DBA-02 and RE252 are forward and aggressive only because they have a compressed dynamic range (technically a bad thing) that pulls quieter details forward and presents a louder, more detail rich picture (good when desired).

post #19 of 46
Thread Starter 


What about in terms of clarity? which sounds more clear? I used to have the TF10, but it seems muddy in the mid range to me, abit too warm, I quite like the GR8 tho, never tried the GR10

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RE262, no, but the RE252, yes.

 

The DBA-02 does sound like a good fit for you.  I personally feel the CK10 is a moderately more competent earphone.  There are certain shortcomings of the DBA-02 that does limit what it can do.  The CK10 simply portrays sound more fully and realistically.  Both are fast, but the CK10 is more detailed.  The DBA-02 is more aggressive and energetic though.  The RE252 comes into play too being similarly geared to the DBA-02 albeit fuller.  Despite being a dynamic, the RE252 is a very fast and highly detailed earphone and does come across a little better balanced and evenly presented than the DBA-02.  From a technical standpoint, I still see the CK10 as the superior product as there is very little that I can fault.  It is the most detailed and most realistic earphone I've used.  However, from a personal standpoint I did slightly prefer the RE252 over the CK10.  It was simply more forward and engaging whereas the CK10 is a little more of a passive listening experience.  The DBA-02, I did not like.  The lack of dynamic range, lack of decay and texturing, and poor sound stage really bugged me.  If you want to compete with the big boys, you can't really have these kinds of shortcomings.  At the time I owned the DBA-02, I happily preferred the RE-Zero over them which is cheaper, more natural, but certainly not as fast or detailed.  I personally view the RE252 and CK10 as superior products, and I am often hard-pressed to specifically suggest the DBA-02 because of this. 

 

This isn't to say the DBA-02 is a bad choice.  Frankly, it's a matter of personal preference.  The DBA-02 fits certain people really well, just like certain people really love the SM3 or Triple.Fi 10.  If the product fits you, it fits you.  "High level of detail, energetic treble, sounding clean and clear overall...clarity and detail is first, then mids, then bass...treble needs to be well extended"  For the DBA-02, it's yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.  It certainly does fit.  So does the RE252 though.  The CK10 might be less energetic than you're seeking although the treble emphasis could be perceived as that.  Both the DBA-02 and RE252 are forward and highly energetic, think Triple.Fi 10 treble and step it up a notch.  The CK10 caries the clarity and detail and even emphasis that can make it sound hot/spitty at times, but it's not as farward and aggressive.  It is more natural and correct though.  Both the DBA-02 and RE252 are forward and aggressive only because they have a compressed dynamic range (technically a bad thing) that pulls quieter details forward and presents a louder, more detail rich picture (good when desired).



 

post #20 of 46
Thread Starter 

hmm good news, I am going to have a $300 ish budget now, what should I get? How does the Westone 3/UMX3 compared to the DBA-02/TF10? Also, what about SE425?(SE535 seems to be really expensive, don't know the reason tho). What are my options?

post #21 of 46

I haven't heard the DBA02 but have owned all the others mentioned. My pick would be either the UM3x or the SE425. Both have the overall best fit and build quality (with replaceable cables) whereas the TF10 are IMHO killed by their awful fit and terrible cable. The W3 are good in SQ, but don't have replaceable cables and are a more shallow fit.

 

In terms of sound quality, it depends on preference.

 

The SE425 are mid-focused, especially good with vocals. Bass is solid and highs are good though a bit rolled-off.

 

UM3x are also mid-focused, but with a significantly more bass. Instrument separation is the best I have ever heard on a universal IEMs. Overall the weighty bass means a bit less balanced and accurate sounding than the SE425s.

 

The Westone 3 are really v-shaped, with great bass and highs, and somewhat recessed treble. A very "fun" iem and great for rock music. The TF10s have a similar signature. 

 

 

Overall, if you are looking for a "fun" signature, W3 might be best. But for a more balanced sound and overall package, my pick would be the SE425 or UM3x.   UM3x have the best fit of any IEM I have used, and amazing separation, while the SE425 have a nice crisp, balanced sound. You can't go wrong either way.

post #22 of 46
Thread Starter 
Why is the 535 is expnsive? 0.0
SE425 dual driver harsh by any chance?
Since UMX3 is triple driver, should sound smoother?
I do listen to vocal and classical quite a bit. How does those two compare?
post #23 of 46

I still think that, according to your desired qualities, the DBA-02 and CK10 are going to be the best choices.

 

The UM3x is great, and although its bass isn't the most detailed (some people call it bloated, but I think it's okay, just sorta bloomy), it's still great at presenting details on an overall level despite having a warm undercurrent to each note. Listening to it is like having a fireside chat with the president. The Westone 3 is, as a generalization, "more of the same" as the TripleFi.

post #24 of 46
Thread Starter 
How's the fit on the CK10? well build? Can it be worn over ear?
post #25 of 46

LOL, the CK10 is universally regarded as the one of the most well built IEMs on the market, and yes, it is worn over the ear.
 

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How's the fit on the CK10? well build? Can it be worn over ear?


 

post #26 of 46
Thread Starter 
UMX3 vs CK10 vs SE425hmmmm
post #27 of 46

Just an FYI, there's a few of us that hear the DBA-02 as more natural and realistic than the CK10.  It ticks a few more boxes technically but the sound is more distinctly BA than the DBA.  This is typical case of different ears, fit, types and synergy.  Whatever the CK10 does better it was never natural enough to vanish from my ears and just leave the music behind.  I place a greater value on enjoying the music over thinking about it.  The DBA has the right balance of ingredients to do that for a number of us.  It's as if the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.  Sometimes a fresh, juicy cheeseburger is more satisfying than a $50 entree covered in elaborate garnish for example.  YMMV as usual. 

post #28 of 46

Remember, that many that praise the ck10 have larger sized earholes.

 

They can get that 'deep fit' which apparently kills off any treble peaks. For me, I couldn't, even though I tried for 2 weeks! Tried every tip mentioned in the ck10 thread.

 

So the unique annoying and penetrating sibilance was the reason I got rid of them

 

post #29 of 46
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Originally Posted by CantScareMe View Post

Remember, that many that praise the ck10 have larger sized earholes.

 

They can get that 'deep fit' which apparently kills off any treble peaks. For me, I couldn't, even though I tried for 2 weeks! Tried every tip mentioned in the ck10 thread.

 

So the unique annoying and penetrating sibilance was the reason I got rid of them

 


Hmmm, do any CK10 users actually use deep insertion?  I don't have small ears and can get pretty much most of the DBA housing into my ear w/ just the tip exposed.  Do people do this w/ the CK10?  I don't recall it having a nozzle as long as the DBA.

 

post #30 of 46

If you didn't like the SM3, I don't know why you'd put the UMX3 as one of your final choices.  While they do not sound quite the same, but I think they have slightly more in common then they do differences.

 

If you wanted pure, bright clarity, with some sparkle... as others have mentioned above, CK10 or DBA-02 seem to have the ticket halfway punched.

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