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On a different note:

At the moment I'm listening to PC with foobar2000 -> Lynx Hilo -> TRS out -> XLR in -> EAR Yoshino HP4 -> Hi Z Phones -> Sennheiser HD 800.

 

Try the line out (XLR) into your EAR, it should sound even better then the monitor outs.

When I connected the EAR Yoshino HP4 last weekend, the XLR outs where already on duty running in the STAX SRM-727II. That's probably more than well and done by now. I haven't listened at all to that chain during the process.

 

Happy Camper's and your posts spur me on to try the XLR outs for listening. I will do that.

 

Happy Camper spurred an other thought as well. The Lynx Hilo is very flexible in its signal routing. It's probably possible to connect the Hilo's XLR out to its XLR in, and then listen to the headphone out. Have any of you tried this yet?

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Yesterday I stayed up way to late. I should really go to bed rather soon.

 

And this is why I love our hobby. 

I did get to bed a little earlier last night, but still late (it really was night).

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On a different note:

At the moment I'm listening to PC with foobar2000 -> Lynx Hilo -> TRS out -> XLR in -> EAR Yoshino HP4 -> Hi Z Phones -> Sennheiser HD 800.

 

Right now it's "Take 6". Before that Willie Nelson "All The Songs I've Loved Before". The HP4 and it's tubes are passing 50 hours tonight. Yesterday I stayed up way to late. I should really go to bed rather soon.

 

By the way, this is my EAR Yoshino HP4 thread. It starts with collecting all the information I could find on the internet about the HP4. Then I pause until a few weeks ago preparing for the arrival of my HP4. In post #19 there are pictures of mine with chrome knobs. Most pictures show golden/brass knobs. I definitely prefer the chrome knobs. Early impressions start in post #10.

 

This is on the Norwegian forum Hifisentralen. Some of the content is in English, but all of my and other member's writing is in Norwegian. Use Google Translate or similar if you don't read any of the Scandinavian languages.

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When I connected the EAR Yoshino HP4 last weekend, the XLR outs where already on duty running in the STAX SRM-727II. That's probably more than well and done by now. I haven't listened at all to that chain during the process.

Happy Camper's and your posts spur me on to try the XLR outs for listening. I will do that.

Happy Camper spurred an other thought as well. The Lynx Hilo is very flexible in its signal routing. It's probably possible to connect the Hilo's XLR out to its XLR in, and then listen to the headphone out. Have any of you tried this yet?
That's an interesting thought.
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On a different note:

At the moment I'm listening to PC with foobar2000 -> Lynx Hilo -> TRS out -> XLR in -> EAR Yoshino HP4 -> Hi Z Phones -> Sennheiser HD 800.

 

Try the line out (XLR) into your EAR, it should sound even better then the monitor outs.

When I connected the EAR Yoshino HP4 last weekend, the XLR outs where already on duty running in the STAX SRM-727II. That's probably more than well and done by now. I haven't listened at all to that chain during the process.

 

Happy Camper's and your posts spur me on to try the XLR outs for listening. I will do that.

 

I tried yesterday, but even after setting the output level of the XLR out to the lowest possible setting (+0dBV) I need more attenuation than the EAR Yoshino HP4 can provide before it gets potentiometre problems near the bottom. I read some of the Hilo manual and found out that the XLR out attenuation in the Hilo is only digital. For TRS and headphone out you can choose between analog and digital attenuation. Digital attenuation should only be used when several digital source signals are combined, typically for recording and monitoring purposes.

 

Hence I need an analog attenuator before I again try XLR out into EAR Yoshino HP4 using Sennheiser HD 800. Other headphones and/or "Low Z Phones" may give different results.

 

Rerouting the analog signals in the Hilo may also be a solution at the expense of some inputs and outputs.

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Happy Camper spurred an other thought as well. The Lynx Hilo is very flexible in its signal routing. It's probably possible to connect the Hilo's XLR out to its XLR in, and then listen to the headphone out. Have any of you tried this yet?
That's an interesting thought.

 

During my Hilo manual reading mentioned in the post above, I also read upon the Hilo signal routing which strengthened my belief that this kind of signal routing is actually possible.

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Would you happen to know what chips they use?

I was curious what the line out did as it is the hi performance chip configuration and I had to borrow a set of cables to hear it. The smile has been diagnosed as permanent and being considered for disability by the VA. This is what I expected to hear and it certainly outperforms the headphone or monitor dac, good as they are. The sound has an easy dynamic about it. All the superlatives on PRaT, musical presentation, even the bottom end is outstanding on these orthos. I like a more refined bottom vs weight heavy and (to me) it has both. The bottom reminds me of the HD-800 performance. All there, balanced and proper to the soundscape. Not every bass should sound the same and that's what I like about the Hilo. Other DACs might give you a weightier bottom end but it gets tiring when every note sounds that way. Can you guys with the LCDs comment on how this DAC's bottom end performs? I'll find out next weekend but I'm thinking it would tighten up and improve bass resolution and bring the mids and highs a little more forward

 

 

The Hilo does exactly what you suspected with the LCD 2.2`s, at least as compared with my Yulong A18, D18 combo.  The Hilo DAC reaches just as deep.  At first it does not seem the case but after some listening it becomes apparent that the depth is all there but with more layers and texture.  The mids seem cleaner and the highs more prominent but not overbearing.  The Hilo is an excellent match for the LCD 2`s.  I prefer it to the Yulong D18.

 

I have done some listening direct from the Hilo`s headphone out and some listening from the Hilo to Yulong A18 via the Hilo`s line out.  The results were different from what I expected.  I thougt the A18 would have a lot more jam than the Hilo.  It turns out the Hilo`s headphone amp, although not as powerful as the A18, has plenty of drive.  I have yet to need to turn the Hilo`s volume to max to achieve the listening levels I desire (and there are times when I like it loud).  I wouldn`t say that I prefer the Hilo`s amp section to the A18.  It would be more accurate to say that the Hilo`s headphone amp would not cause me to miss having the A18 around if the Hilo was all I had.

 

Regarding my Heir 8.A`s, the Hilo`s amp section is a better match than the Yulong A18 amp.  This is not surprising considering that the Yulong A18 is pure class A and relatively powerful.  The difference is slight but noticeable.  I expect on some more sensitive IEM`s the difference would be even more pronounced.

 

The Hilo`s DAC section provides the same benefits to the Heir 8.A`s as it does to the LCD 2`s.  It is a better match overall to the 8.A`s than the Yulong D18.

 

Unfortunately for me (financially) my venture into DSD has been amazing.  I will be purchasing more DSD downloads in the near future.  I was surprised at the quality of this new (to me) format.  My library consists of 50% Redbook rips and 50% Hi Res Flac.  The DSD format stands out to my ears as superior.   I am not sure at this point if it has to do with mastering and recording practices or the format itself.  I am downloading some DSD file to compare directly to the same 24 192 FLAC files I have already.


Edited by mrcasey - 3/11/13 at 12:10pm
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Has anybody compared the EE Minimax DAC to the dac in the Hilo? Very interested in this. I love me EE and am wondering if the Hilo would blow it away or not. I have plenty of good amps so the amp section and the analog to digital are not big selling points for me but they would be nice to have. If I buy another DAC I really want something perfectly neutral that let's me hear all changes upstream. I am very happy with the EE but you know how upgradeitis works and would like to try new things. By the way original Minimax not the newer plus which I did not like as much. Main headphones are LCD 2 rev1 (like it better than rev 2) various hifiman orthos and akg 340,s

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........Unfortunately for me (financially) my venture into DSD has been amazing.  I will be purchasing more DSD downloads in the near future.  I was surprised at the quality of this new (to me) format.  My library consists of 50% Redbook rips and 50% Hi Res Flac.  The DSD format stands out to my ears as superior.   I am not sure at this point if it has to do with mastering and recording practices or the format itself.  I am downloading some DSD file to compare directly to the same 24 192 FLAC files I have already.[/SIZE]
I don't like this...... puts a feeling in the gut like waiting for the principal. Ya know it's gonna hurt.........redface.gif

Mobay, there is an EE not ten miles away but the owner works a lot and can't make the meet. He's rolled his opamps / tube to his liking and I was hoping to hear.
Edited by Happy Camper - 3/11/13 at 12:16pm
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I don't like this...... puts a feeling in the gut like waiting for the principal. Ya know it's gonna hurt.........redface.gif

Have you been to 2L's site?  There you will find plenty of free DSD downloads to get a sense of things.  All Classical stuff, so genre preference may factor in. 

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I've got several SACDs so I can hook up the Elite and give it a listen if it outputs DSD on it's optical out. But I will use your information as it's on the puter and easier. cool.gif

Ignorance exposed. Of course optical doesn't output DSD.
Edited by Happy Camper - 6/15/13 at 7:14am
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I think this might be my next DAC, but I'm planning to use it primarily as an A/D converter to provide digital copies of highly superior vinyl cuts of modern recordings. 

 

Plus, I need a new archival project and this is gonna be it. I'll start reading the thread but how many people have actually heard and compared this to anything else? How is the D/A section in it's price range?

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I'll start reading the thread but how many people have actually heard and compared this to anything else? How is the D/A section in it's price range?

 

At the moment I have my Lynx Hilo placed right next to my Grace Design m903. I haven't done any thorough comparisons yet and haven't compared them as DACs only.

 

So far I have used both mainly as DAC + headphone amplifier. Earlier in this thread or the other Lynx Hilo thread you can find my observations/comparisons of the two with Sennheiser HD 800. A quick trial with Benchmark DAC1 HDR is thrown in for good measure.

 

Later I have listened to both with Sennheiser HD 650 and beyerdynamic T 5 p. You will find my observations in the Lynx Hilo threads and/or the beyerdynamic T 5 p threads.

 

I (probably) will compare them more or less thoroughly as DACs at some point. Maybe I will crossconnect them so they feed each others analog inputs. At the moment I'm using Lynx Hilo as DAC for my new EAR Yoshino HP4 which is still running in. I've been running in my STAX SRM-727II for a long time and will probably finish that this weekend and go on to my third tube amplifier still waiting for run in.

 

Earlier in the week I used Google to search for Lynx Hilo vs. Antelope Zodiac. There are some observations on Gearslutz at least. My quick impression is that Lynx Hilo fares very well against Antelope Zodiac and other competitors if you want a transparent, neutral, etc. DAC. If you want a coloured one, it's a different matter.

post #164 of 632
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I think this might be my next DAC, but I'm planning to use it primarily as an A/D converter to provide digital copies of highly superior vinyl cuts of modern recordings. 

 

Plus, I need a new archival project and this is gonna be it. I'll start reading the thread but how many people have actually heard and compared this to anything else? How is the D/A section in it's price range?


I've been using the Hilo's A/D capabilities to rip vinyl at 192/24 since I got it (phono rig = Rega P3-24 with external power supply/Sumiko Blackbird/Whest Two).  Love the results.

 

The D/A section is competitive with anything at or near the price point.

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We will be having our DAC shootout tomorrow in the Dayton OH meet thread for comparison.

Wish we had the higher end Schiit gear but there are some strong contenders.

PWD II
NAD M51
Anedio D2
Audio GD Master 7
Lynx Hilo
Schiit Modi
ODAC
Tubemagic D1
Pico
Edited by Happy Camper - 3/15/13 at 12:24pm
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