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post #1051 of 1232

I bought one of these in January or so, the cable that came with it is broken already =/

 

Going to buy a Fiio L8 for now to replace. Anyone have any suggestions for a similar (but possibly better quality/durability) cable?

post #1052 of 1232
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Originally Posted by AzuAzu View Post

I bought one of these in January or so, the cable that came with it is broken already =/

 

Going to buy a Fiio L8 for now to replace. Anyone have any suggestions for a similar (but possibly better quality/durability) cable?

it depends, what are using the E11 with?

post #1053 of 1232
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Originally Posted by Digital DJ View Post


I also forgot to ask if the Fiio LOD Cable bypasses the iPod Amp when this cable is plugged in.

Depends on which of the cables you are referring to......they offer several.

post #1054 of 1232
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Originally Posted by Achmedisdead View Post

Depends on which of the cables you are referring to......they offer several.


The 3.5 to 3.5 LOD Cable. I'd hook it in to the headphone jack, and the other end into the "IN" port on the amplifier. Will that bypass the internal amp?

post #1055 of 1232
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The 3.5 to 3.5 LOD Cable. I'd hook it in to the headphone jack, and the other end into the "IN" port on the amplifier. Will that bypass the internal amp?

No, it won't....but in the case of you and your 7th gen Nano, that doesn't matter. Just set the volume of the Nano 3 or 4 clicks down from the maximum, and from there on control your volume with the E11.

post #1056 of 1232
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The 3.5 to 3.5 LOD Cable. I'd hook it in to the headphone jack, and the other end into the "IN" port on the amplifier. Will that bypass the internal amp?

you need some thing like the fiio L9, or Fiio L3 to bypass the ipod amp.

post #1057 of 1232
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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post

you need some thing like the fiio L9, or Fiio L3 to bypass the ipod amp.


But then I'd need to hook in a Lightning to 30pin adapter into my 7th Gen Nano in order for that to work since all the Fiio cables for idevices are 30pin. So in technicality, I'd need an adapter, then the Fiio L9 cable, hook the two into each other, then the 3.5 from the L9 into the "in" port of the amp, then my headphone 3.5 into the "out" port of the amp. This will bypass the iPod Amp?

post #1058 of 1232
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Originally Posted by Digital DJ View Post


But then I'd need to hook in a Lightning to 30pin adapter into my 7th Gen Nano in order for that to work since all the Fiio cables for idevices are 30pin. So in technicality, I'd need an adapter, then the Fiio L9 cable, hook the two into each other, then the 3.5 from the L9 into the "in" port of the amp, then my headphone 3.5 into the "out" port of the amp. This will bypass the iPod Amp?

Yes. But you're forgetting what ClieOs wrote in his article, that there was no audible benefit to doing all that. Simpler and just as effective  to use the 3.5-to-3.5 like I mentioned in my last post. 

 

Also, you never mentioned what headphones you are using...it's possible you may not even need the E11 at all.

post #1059 of 1232
Thread Starter 

Didn't we have this discussion a week ago?

 

Let go through it again:

 

With Nano 7G, the headphone-out is as clean as the Line-out you get from Lightning adapter, even when you are double amping* the headphone-out (* = the means you are NOT bypassing the internal amp). This has been confirmed both subjectively (by listening) as well as objectively (measured by RMAA). Therefore, there is no reason whatsoever to use a Lightning adapter except to add more weight to the whole rig.

 

A 3.5mm to 3.5mm interconnecting cable (IC) is not going to bypass the internal amp of Nano 7G, but as explained, there is no need and no benefit to do so anyway. So using an IC and set the volume three steps lower from max will give you just as good a sound as using the Lightning adapter.

 

In short: SKIP the Lightning adapter. SKIP any LOD cable. Use just a 3.5mm-to-3.5mm cable: one end to the Nano 7G's headphone-out, the other to the portable amp's input!

post #1060 of 1232
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

Didn't we have this discussion a week ago?

 

Let go through it again:

 

With Nano 7G, the headphone-out is as clean as the Line-out you get from Lightning adapter, even when you are double amping* the headphone-out (* = the means you are NOT bypassing the internal amp). This has been confirmed both subjectively (by listening) as well as objectively (measured by RMAA). Therefore, there is no reason whatsoever to use a Lightning adapter except to add more weight to the whole rig.

 

A 3.5mm to 3.5mm interconnecting cable (IC) is not going to bypass the internal amp of Nano 7G, but as explained, there is no need and no benefit to do so anyway. So using an IC and set the volume three steps lower from max will give you just as good a sound as using the Lightning adapter.

 

In short: SKIP the Lightning adapter. SKIP any LOD cable. Use just a 3.5mm-to-3.5mm cable: one end to the Nano 7G's headphone-out, the other to the portable amp's input!


I was just hoping there was a way to bypass the internal amp. Yes I remember discussing this, I'm just having uncertainties because I'll be buying the amp today. I was also thinking of buying the Fiio E7 but I don't know how relevant the DAC will be, I don't know what switching from Digital to Analog would do for my music or how it'd effect it. Then I started thinking if a Fiio E7 was a wiser investment over the Fiio E11, but I don't know that either.

post #1061 of 1232
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I was just hoping there was a way to bypass the internal amp. Yes I remember discussing this, I'm just having uncertainties because I'll be buying the amp today. I was also thinking of buying the Fiio E7 but I don't know how relevant the DAC will be, I don't know what switching from Digital to Analog would do for my music or how it'd effect it. Then I started thinking if a Fiio E7 was a wiser investment over the Fiio E11, but I don't know that either.

What headphones are you using? It's possible you may not need the amp at all.

post #1062 of 1232
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Digital DJ View Post


I was just hoping there was a way to bypass the internal amp. Yes I remember discussing this, I'm just having uncertainties because I'll be buying the amp today. I was also thinking of buying the Fiio E7 but I don't know how relevant the DAC will be, I don't know what switching from Digital to Analog would do for my music or how it'd effect it. Then I started thinking if a Fiio E7 was a wiser investment over the Fiio E11, but I don't know that either.

 

You want to bypass an internal amp and get to the line signal for two reasons: First, to get a cleaner signal. That means lowest possible SNR (Signal-to-Noise Ratio) and highest possible dynamic range. However, there is a limitation of how low noise can be and how much you can notice it. For example, going from 10% distortion (extremely bad) to 1%  (which is borderline HiFi) is a huge improvement, while going from 1% to 0.1% is still a big improvement, but going from 0.01% to 0.001% will most likely doesn't make any difference in the whole setup, even though they are all 10x improvement. In the case of Nano 7G, there is simple no much noise in the headphone-out to begin with, and to get the best possible dynamic range, you simple make sure the volume is set to very loud. The second reason is to remove any coloration that the internal amp section might have. In this case, again, the internal amp section is very clean and free of coloration.

 

Since you will neither get a cleaner signal (that you can hear) nor removing any coloration, the conclusion is obvious: getting the line-out from the Lightning adapter doesn't improve the sound.

 

BTW, the DAC in the amp (E7 in this case) doesn't do anything to the sound of Nano 7G. That DAC only works with USB from a PC. You are only using analog section of the E7 (the amp section). If you want to get a DAC that supports iDevice, prepare to pay around $500 or so.

post #1063 of 1232
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Originally Posted by ClieOS View Post

 

You want to bypass an internal amp and get to the line signal for two reasons: First, to get a cleaner signal. That means lowest possible SNR (Signal-to-Noise Ratio) and highest possible dynamic range. However, there is a limitation of how low noise can be and how much you can notice it. For example, going from 10% distortion (extremely bad) to 1%  (which is borderline HiFi) is a huge improvement, while going from 1% to 0.1% is still a big improvement, but going from 0.01% to 0.001% will most likely doesn't make any difference in the whole setup, even though they are all 10x improvement. In the case of Nano 7G, there is simple no much noise in the headphone-out to begin with, and to get the best possible dynamic range, you simple make sure the volume is set to very loud. The second reason is to remove any coloration that the internal amp section might have. In this case, again, the internal amp section is very clean and free of coloration.

 

Since you will neither get a cleaner signal (that you can hear) nor removing any coloration, the conclusion is obvious: getting the line-out from the Lightning adapter doesn't improve the sound.

 

BTW, the DAC in the amp (E7 in this case) doesn't do anything to the sound of Nano 7G. That DAC only works with USB from a PC. You are only using analog section of the E7 (the amp section). If you want to get a DAC that supports iDevice, prepare to pay around $500 or so.


Very informative. Thanks bro. I won't ask again.

post #1064 of 1232
Selling my FiiO E11 + L9 LOD cable for iPod. It's not getting much use anymore.

PM me.
post #1065 of 1232

 I sold my E11 to a friend for a small amount, he says the battery isnt charging. Any information on this?

 

Neither of us have used it that much.

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