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post #886 of 1150

my impressions between SM3v2 vs W4R posted on other relative SM3 threads:

 

 

it's a close call between the two. but if it's line out vs line out on my iPod 7g, then it's

SM3>W4 for me..

if both paired with the arrow 4g (damn ceph for this)

W4>>SM3 

the w4 becomes a demi God almost seem invulnerable for me except for the Gods (Customs)  ;D

I find myself yearning for the SM3s more when i listen to the w4 but coming from the SM3s to w4 just felt fine and nothing wrong.


W4 vs SM3

line out:

even with line out only for me, still the w4 bests the sm3 in almost everything (resolution) except for the imaging and soundstage
but I really prefer the SM3s for its more bass quantity and deeper, laid back highs sound more realistic to me, the imaging and lastly the huge surround soundstage which made my w4 sound obviously congested after being exposed to the SM3s.. the soundstage and imaging of the SM3s are unique, i felt that its soundstage could be very well utilized by the song. It's kinda overwhelming because it can also go toe-to-toe or very close with the ie80s gargantuan soundstage despite being a closed iem

MIDS are very liquid on the SM3s but for me this is where I find the W4 much better for my liking.. i already made an extensive side by side with the miss but i find the sm3's mids lacking a bit in clarity while on the w4 it sounds more fuller and real to my ears that I can hear the lips of the artist pouting on a song more convincingly than the SM3 (Domino by Jessie J @ bridge)
but i'm nitpicking too much here and if i'd wish that it also sound like on the w4s, then it's not earsonics signature anymore so it is very good on its own right.

HIGHS
i also favor the `sm3s having a very very good detail (on-par with w4) and quantity
it sounds more real on the sm3 than on the heavy highs of the w4

the soundstage is where the sm3s shine more than the w4
the SM3s make you listen to the music as a whole the details of the song is spaced out and utilizes the soundstage. it's also there on the w4 but it takes more effort from me to hear the micro details. 
the details and micro details are just the same with the W4 but again with the sm3s huge soundstage i can hear the sound from its starting point, til it reaches its whole sound down to its very last decay. this obviously sounds congested on the w4

it's like a bubble wrapped up to your head where the mids are surrounded by the details
it's like you are standing there with the band and you hear ever the guitar and other instruments like they are beside you having an ample distance but this kind of imaging is quite polarizing on the hiphop/RnB/Rap genre, it takes away the intimacy the vocals sound distant. the um3x beats this easily on this genre

it is a stage monitor and the way I see it, everything is just there in the picture. the um3x is best on focusing on instruments and doesn't sound muffled no matter how crowded the song gets to.


the w4 gets your attention to its details while the SM3s presents it in a natural way and may take some effort to the listener to hear the details because of the smaller soundstage


where the w4 bests SM3:

like i said earlier the w4 bests the sm3s when it comes to resolution. i also find the w4 an upgrade over the sm3s when it comes to refinement

the bass is tuned for quality over quantity. it also reaches deep enough having more resolution especially on the mid bass department than the sm3. it has enough punch to satisfy me giving way for the mid bass to shine. there are songs that the SM3s struggle and sound muffled on the electric guitars but the w4 handles it easily showing that obvious very good resolution making it more easy to understand but also being more analytical than the SM3

MIDS
it sounds more natural in tone and fuller than the sm3. like what is said on the review on the head-fi, it has that natural distance between the listener so it sounds convincing, intimate, exact, real and never recessed for me on every song while on the sm3s, sometimes it lacks the intimacy because of the setting of the song and its front and center vocal presentation. it never sounds recessed either but the vocal quality sometimes really left me reaching for the w4s.

HIGHS
having more quantity and at the same time very detailed and packs a lot of weight and extension

Instrument Separation
both are very good but the w4 is just that better on separation because of the obviously more resolution on the entire spectrum. the sm3s don't lag either but when it comes to a crowded song, the electric guitars sound a bit off and hard to understand because of the more bass quantity. the imaging is very much different, the sm3s don't have that forward projection and is a surround soundstage showing very good space on the instruments. on the w4 all is placed in front of you but next to the sm3s it still has enough space on the instruments and sounds more refined (bright) a bit


the SM3s for me are really true to the song , sometimes when a song calls for more highs, it delivers and surprises me in a way that it could also have a lot in quantity like the w4. i really prefer the highs than the w4, when paired on my laptop, the highs are excellent for me. the w4 shows the highs very sweet and a bit louder but on the sm3s, it is indeed very sweet and i can almost picture on my mind the CYMBAL crashing up and down which i didn't find on the w4. Also the sm3s for me have more spark than the w4


W4 & SM3 featuring Headstage Arrow4G

the SM3s don't benefit much from it only giving a bit more impact and a bass like that of the dynamic drivers


the W4 becomes a demi God from it and becoming the exact sound and everything that i was asking for
imagine the excellent resolution on the mid bass department then the arrow 4g adding depth to it making it perfect sub bass punch and very rounded like the SM3s rounded bass. the rumble sounds perfect never deficient. the bass becomes very dynamic and is able to go toe-to-toe with the DDs and could even beat it easily. the ex1000's bass is the best bass i've heard but vs the w4, it makes the sub bass of the w4 weak but the resolution of the w4 makes the ex1000s mid bass a bit muffled
for me

the MIDS become a bit warmer and fuller and still intimate


the HIGHS are extraordinary on this one. even if i can picture the cymbals crashing on the sm3s the arrow gives a lot of boost on the w4s highs giving more spark and very realistic sound. the best of i can think of is  the shutter speed of a high end camera, 
when a cymbal is smashed, the W4 puts them in spades like how the camera captures every movement

the presentation even becomes very more impressive. what makes it more impressive is how the Arrow 4g makes the w4s soundstage larger not too wide and not too deep that I find the best and perfect soundstaging where every detail and instrument is presented very nice and doesn't sound congested anymore.

it puts you in a perfect position. like a Conductor in the middle of the orchestra, you see and hear every sound that starts and rises till it fades. there is no detail that passes by that you won't notice it. 

final verdict:

I would prefer much the SM3s over W4 when listening to it line out only.. it is already very good without an amp whereas it also takes time to get accustomed to its unique imaging. after being exposed to it it makes my w4s sound underpowered and really need an amp like the arrow 4g to shine and get its full potential. the SM3s imho only need a good dac  like on my laptop (neutral) to maximize the soundstage. the w4 also sound good on it but made the bass really lacking but also giving more resolution to it especially on the highs.

for now it's SM3>=W4

post #887 of 1150

Thanks for the rundown, soulinker. If I ever lose my SM3's, I plan on trying out the W4's.

 

Anyone ever try the Earsonic Amp's? Way too steep for me, but would like to know.

post #888 of 1150
W4 will not be a bad thing to purchase and an upgrade from the SM3.. but it's better to have them both smily_headphones1.gif
post #889 of 1150
Hey guys, I'm having trouble on checking the details on getting the right ear impression for my earsonics custom sleeves. Is it the standard ear impression mold for the earsonics? or there is a certain mold for the custom sleeves for the earsonics? Thanks!
post #890 of 1150

Can I get off the earhooks of v2 ? because it's not comfortable for me !

post #891 of 1150

Have had these for about two weeks now and really loving them. I was so dissapointed when I took them out of the box and plugged them straight into my iPhone that I almost sent them back after 5 minutes. Mids were way recessed and murky. Out of my D10 though, +/- some burn in, they totally evened out and are almost exactly what I was looking for. The soundstage is exactly where I like it, with the vocals a little more forward and intimate. Mids are a little forward and pretty clear. If I had to come up with a complaint I would say the treble could have a little more sparkle, but when listening to them I never really notice this. Overall definately one of my better headfi purchases.

post #892 of 1150

how they hold against your um tf18? i have the sm3 v2 too with a 5 occ cable and the sound is pretty good 

post #893 of 1150
Quote:
Originally Posted by veracocha View Post

Can I get off the earhooks of v2 ? because it's not comfortable for me !

??

post #894 of 1150

that's a risky thing to do ma men .. you'd be better with them I guess = )

post #895 of 1150

Anyone recommend me some good tips(with a link) I just got my phones back from Earsonics in under a month, but they didn't send any of my tips back. And as said, links(preferably from Amazon) would be appreciated.

post #896 of 1150
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChavaC View Post

Have had these for about two weeks now and really loving them. I was so dissapointed when I took them out of the box and plugged them straight into my iPhone that I almost sent them back after 5 minutes. Mids were way recessed and murky. Out of my D10 though, +/- some burn in, they totally evened out and are almost exactly what I was looking for. The soundstage is exactly where I like it, with the vocals a little more forward and intimate. Mids are a little forward and pretty clear. If I had to come up with a complaint I would say the treble could have a little more sparkle, but when listening to them I never really notice this. Overall definately one of my better headfi purchases.

 

I've never had much luck with earphones and my second generation Iphone. My mp3 players on the other hand, especially the J3, seem to really feed the SM3 and my other earphones real nice. Got to the point that I cleared the the music off my phone.  When I upgrade my phone, I will not be getting another Iphone, there are better phones out there for good music sound.

post #897 of 1150

Do I have a legit complaint? Earsonic just got my headphones back to me today, for the second time and they still didn't fix the problem. I sent them in cause the bass on my left earphnone was shaky. I said that these things happen, and they got my headphones back to me in under a month, and I was extremely impressed, but they never fixed the problem. I had to send them back again and wait about three weeks, and it comes back with the same problem. I even told them to check the left earbud with louder bass(about 41 with my FiiO E7), and they still didn't fix it. i am now frustrated since I have to contact them and wait another couple of months. I paid over $350.00 for these and I get this.

post #898 of 1150
^ even if unamped does it still have that problem?

sometimes i think amps could've over fed them with bass ..

but there's not a claim for that.. just a thought

@Carlsan

the 2nd gen iphone is already a very good sounding phone.. it has the wolfson in it unlike the ip3gs and ip4..

maybe just not your type
post #899 of 1150

Just got my headphones back and the problem is fixed.

post #900 of 1150
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Originally Posted by Mando323 View Post

Just got my headphones back and the problem is fixed.

Glad to heard that.biggrin.gif

I don't have anything to compare with SM3, it was love since first time.
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