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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post

I don't exactly remember, redface.gif But it rings a bell or two,

I think Colorfly C3 would be a decent pairing for SM3 V2, but I cannot try atm because my unit is on loan, I'm using Rocco BA and Colorfly CK4+ / C&C BH rig, (mostly the rig) They sound decent, rather full, upfront, slightly thick, using a silver plated interconnect on my rig helps brighten them a touch. I don't have a problem with the mids sounding dark or veiled, I find them pretty spot on for their intended signature with a quick adjustment period. They have a certain tone to the mids which I can see appeals to SM3 lovers.

I kept reading they lack clarity, but I think there's enough there, my rig certainly push that through. I find the bass punchy / extents deep for BA, I need to put them through my CK4 / C&C BH to really milk the most from them and find it truly satisfying, I don't think a Clip+ will cut the mustard here. I am not overly impressed with their separation, if you have heard RDB+ V1 one can understand where I'm coming from. Detail wise, sure they're decent, you won't hear the tiniest of samples, but they weren't really focused with that in mind. I do enjoy that bass punch and tone they display in the mid range. Taylor Swift sounds really nice.

I believe it's just a general rule, as you go up to higher range IEM, your source should be upgraded otherwise you're merely limiting potential. Like putting a rev limiter on a car, or only turning a tap on half way. It's just... they ear rape me, (and I hate using that word), the fit and cable is just ***$#@$# to deal with. I put them in and feel like I'm being anal / ear probed. It makes me laugh how awkward the fit is for me. You insert these dongle double flange tips deeply into your ear which fold, bend, itch your ears, then mess around pulling on your ears wiggling them in every which way so they seal, then once that's done the cable chokes me pulling on the hoops. Combine all that together it kind of ruins the moment of listening. Comfort is important.

I need to change the cable for starters. It feels like I'm strapping myself into a torture device, and this is coming from someone who got a perfect fit straight up with TF10. There have been moments I've said to myself "nah I can't do this" having to unplug myself, retracting the rape tips from my ears. Comply won't seal for me (large ears) so it's out of the question. This is a first major fit problem for me personally.

I'm with you on upgrading the source. I am currently using my Rocoo P as my main source and an iPod Nano 6th-RSA P51 Mustang Rig. I tried the 4th Gen ipod touch and sold it and then got the the 5th Gen iPod Touch and sold it after 3 days, got a 7th Gen Nano this morning and I am also selling it tonight. All these ipods didnt fair well with me as far as SQ is concerned...Why try so many different iPods then? The UI form factor I think is unparalleled and the user experience is just excellent. I love everything about iPods except the sound...ironically. I don't know why but I am finicky with sources, the Clip+ didn't last 5 days with me as we'll, and I think I may have gotten a defective unit...

To me, the Rocoo P and my Shuffle 1st Gen are the best sounding, followed by the Nano-Mustang combo. The C3 is next for me and I will get the C&C BH amp as recommended by Techno Kid as well. We will see smily_headphones1.gif
post #1037 of 1150
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Originally Posted by Annafrancesca View Post

I'm with you on upgrading the source. I am currently using my Rocoo P as my main source and an iPod Nano 6th-RSA P51 Mustang Rig. I tried the 4th Gen ipod touch and sold it and then got the the 5th Gen iPod Touch and sold it after 3 days, got a 7th Gen Nano this morning and I am also selling it tonight. All these ipods didnt fair well with me as far as SQ is concerned...Why try so many different iPods then? The UI form factor I think is unparalleled and the user experience is just excellent. I love everything about iPods except the sound...ironically. I don't know why but I am finicky with sources, the Clip+ didn't last 5 days with me as we'll, and I think I may have gotten a defective unit...

To me, the Rocoo P and my Shuffle 1st Gen are the best sounding, followed by the Nano-Mustang combo. The C3 is next for me and I will get the C&C BH amp as recommended by Techno Kid as well. We will see smily_headphones1.gif

You may find C&C BH is the missing piece of the puzzle for you. Takes most sources and improves on them, imo SM3 enjoy the extra power from BH, gives them an edge, some more bite. tongue.gif Great little amp.
post #1038 of 1150
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post


...imo SM3 enjoy the extra power from BH, gives them an edge, some more bite.

Is this probably why I think that the SM3's don't sound as refined as my r-50 when played unamped?

 

Or is it fit issues that I'm having?

 

Like I don't think it sounds like $300 unless I drive them with my e11, which is pain in the ass to carry around.


Edited by itshot - 3/11/13 at 10:07pm
post #1039 of 1150
Well it could be because the R50s are more emphasized in the highs....what's your source for them unamped? Because I don't really notice a huge difference with my SM3 on my E11.
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Is this probably why I think that the SM3's don't sound as refined as my r-50 when played unamped?

Or is it fit issues that I'm having?

Like I don't think it sounds like $300 unless I drive them with my e11, which is pain in the ass to carry around.
post #1040 of 1150

I don't really like the tonal balance of the r-50's all that much... its a little too bright, but what I'm saying is that I found the vocals on the sm3 to seem perhaps a bit... low quality? Like about as good as Monoprice 8320's unless I drive them with the e11...

post #1041 of 1150
O.o What's your source? The mids and in particular vocals are the biggest strength of the SM3 if you ask me...
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I don't really like the tonal balance of the r-50's all that much... its a little too bright, but what I'm saying is that I found the vocals on the sm3 to seem perhaps a bit... low quality? Like about as good as Monoprice 8320's unless I drive them with the e11...
post #1042 of 1150

Yeah I was expecting a bit more too... for now, I'll try some tip rolling because actually am having a hard time getting a decent fit for some reason. I hope that's the issue. :P


Edited by itshot - 3/12/13 at 11:20am
post #1043 of 1150

Hope so; they are a real treat for me. If you are having trouble, though, you might consider just selling them; they have a great sound, but if you are having fit issues, it's probably not worth it given that you will be fiddling with them a lot, and they already have build issues/are pretty fragile, which frequent tip rolling and adjustment could potentially exaggerate...something to think about. The UM3x is a very reasonable alternative that doesn't have the build issues, with a more ergonomic fit to boot. It's not quite as enveloping and the mids aren't as lush, but they are very close technically and have a similar overall sound; both are voiced as stage-use IEMs, with slightly enhanced bass, smooth treble, and forward mids. Separation is better on the UM3x, and its less colored/more tonally neutral, too. They have very different presentations, but I have a hard time seeing someone liking the SM3 and disliking the UM3x.

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Yeah I was expecting a bit more too... for now, I'll try some tip rolling because actually am having a hard time getting a decent fit for some reason. I hope that's the issue. :P


Edited by Gilly87 - 3/12/13 at 11:35am
post #1044 of 1150
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Is this probably why I think that the SM3's don't sound as refined as my r-50 when played unamped?

Or is it fit issues that I'm having?

Like I don't think it sounds like $300 unless I drive them with my e11, which is pain in the ass to carry around.

You won't need an amp to enjoy them, but it helps a lot imo. I'm not getting decent results without one. I haven't been spending much time with SM3 due to the fit, but I'm thinking of selling them soon, it's not really working out for me, if you liked the R-50 I suggest taking a look at Brainwavs B2, I enjoy them more than SM3. biggrin.gif
post #1045 of 1150
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post


You won't need an amp to enjoy them, but it helps a lot imo. I'm not getting decent results without one. I haven't been spending much time with SM3 due to the fit, but I'm thinking of selling them soon, it's not really working out for me, if you liked the R-50 I suggest taking a look at Brainwavs B2, I enjoy them more than SM3. biggrin.gif

They come tomorrow :P

post #1046 of 1150
Ok, finally I can enjoy these SM3 V2, on a slightly higher level. I'm getting decent levels of comfort and soundstage is behaving properly. I knew these tips worked with my W3 as I had problems previously, but I needed to get more in and they just arrived today. Sure enough they did exactly what I was hoping using the adapter. These now grab hold and lock in to my canal causing an air tight seal, the sound is more as intended.

I am reconsidering not selling the SM3 at the moment. It's really amazing that I have so many tips here yet none could achieve what this one does.





post #1047 of 1150

So do the B2's still win vs the SM3's in your book?

post #1048 of 1150
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So do the B2's still win vs the SM3's in your book?

Well, not really, they sound completely different in sound signature. B2 are much brighter with higher levels of clarity while sacrificing the low end, SM3 sound darker, much fuller bodied with an upfront presentation. If you push their signatures, presentation and tonal levels aside judging only on technical ability B2 does win in separation, low level detail, and clarity, though an IEM is much more than that, what it comes down to IMO is how each IEM performs as a whole. B2 sound rather delicate and precious like a ballerina, where as SM3 sound more aggressive in your face, thicker. They really do sound completely different, but if I want to hear every little nuance / nook and cranny at the cost of a lighter thinner sound B2 still win for me. They're just geared completely differently.

Even TF10 can put up a fight next to SM3 V2 IMO, especially with an upgrade cable installed.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 3/13/13 at 9:31pm
post #1049 of 1150
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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post


Well, not really, they sound completely different in sound signature. B2 are much brighter with higher levels of clarity while sacrificing the low end, SM3 sound darker, much fuller bodied with an upfront presentation. If you push their signatures, presentation and tonal levels aside judging only on technical ability B2 does win in separation, low level detail, and clarity, though an IEM is much more than that, what it comes down to IMO is how each IEM performs as a whole. B2 sound rather delicate and precious like a ballerina, where as SM3 sound more aggressive in your face, thicker. They really do sound completely different, but if I want to hear every little nuance / nook and cranny at the cost of a lighter thinner sound B2 still win for me. They're just geared completely differently.

Even TF10 can put up a fight next to SM3 V2 IMO, especially with an upgrade cable installed.

My B2's came in today... I've gotta agree with you there.

post #1050 of 1150
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My B2's came in today... I've gotta agree with you there.

If you have Sony hybrid tips give them a try on your B2, I prefer them over stock tips.

Now I'm getting a seal with SM3, I have spend some good with them last night, I can see why people like them and dislike them, however with the right source and genre they can sound rather special, they have a certain tone to them which is addicitive, I found similar on W3. So, I'll be keeping mine for the time being.
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