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post #1021 of 1150
Oh I meant Sunrickys Westone cables, the custom ones he makes for W4R, UM3X, etc. Same connectors as SM3.
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If I'm going to change it out I would rather upgrade to silver plated, I have a Westone cable here (on loan) and it helps but it has to go back very soon.
post #1022 of 1150
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Oh I meant Sunrickys Westone cables, the custom ones he makes for W4R, UM3X, etc. Same connectors as SM3.

Sure, the pins fit no problem but the polarity on Westone / upgrade cables is reverse for SM3. I have checked with a multi meter, the positive and negative pins face the other direction. If you check against the stock cable when the red / blue dots facing the right way on SM3 (correct polarity) it is reverse to Westone cables. So anything with pre moulded ear hoops cannot be used.

Sunricky got back to me, and said because he orders in bulk he cannot help. I don't think sunricky makes his cables, just orders in bulk like any other seller.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 3/8/13 at 3:52pm
post #1023 of 1150
Oh bummer...suppose you could take a whack at heating up and reversing the guides if you were into it but that seems risky.
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Sure, the pins fit no problem but the polarity on Westone / upgrade cables is reverse for SM3. I have checked with a multi meter, the positive and negative pins face the other direction. If you check against the stock cable when the red / blue dots facing the right way on SM3 (correct polarity) it is reverse to Westone cables. So anything with pre moulded ear hoops cannot be used.

Sunricky got back to me, and said because he orders in bulk he cannot help. I don't think sunricky makes his cables, just orders in bulk like any other seller.
post #1024 of 1150

God, I hate to admit it, but the SM3 just has the most convincing sound of anything I've heard yet in terms of creating a complete stereo image and not falling prey to the left glob - right glob soundstage in any perceptible way. The stage isn't huge, but it is definitely there, and goes all the way from right to left and everywhere in between. Even the DT770 can't transition sounds as fluidly and seemlessly from one side to the other.

 

Of course this could change when I receive my Hd598...

 

The SM3 also have the kind of bass that could bring a "basshead" to think more about quality > quantity. I really don't think these sound anything like my other armature-based IEMs. The reverb they produce on this track (albeit in flac) is nuts for a BA IEM, it digs the lowest notes out better than even the X10:

 

(remember to change quality to 720p to hear the real subbass)

 

 


Edited by Gilly87 - 3/9/13 at 8:00pm
post #1025 of 1150
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Sure, the pins fit no problem but the polarity on Westone / upgrade cables is reverse for SM3. I have checked with a multi meter, the positive and negative pins face the other direction. If you check against the stock cable when the red / blue dots facing the right way on SM3 (correct polarity) it is reverse to Westone cables. So anything with pre moulded ear hoops cannot be used.

Sunricky got back to me, and said because he orders in bulk he cannot help. I don't think sunricky makes his cables, just orders in bulk like any other seller.

 

So if the polarity is reversed on the pins it can't be solved by simply putting L In R,  and R in L? I've got two aftermarket cables with the per-molded ear loops from Chinese eBay dealers that are incredibly comfy, and I was using them with the wrong pin configuration. I guess you could order a ChrisHimself cable. He even offers a plain copper cable now, in addition to a hybrid (copper + silver plated copper) and a silver cable. The ear loops are similar to stock ear loops. http://headphonelounge.com/products/custom-cables/silver-ray-iem-cables/

Copper would be the best bet microphonic-wise, but the hybrid is the one that has me curious. I had the Moon Audio Silver Dragon IEM cable last summer, but I thought the silver gave the SM3 sound a bit of a sheen to it. Of course, I wonder now how listening with the pins inversed affected what I was hearing, lol.

post #1026 of 1150
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So if the polarity is reversed on the pins it can't be solved by simply putting L In R,  and R in L? I've got two aftermarket cables with the per-molded ear loops from Chinese eBay dealers that are incredibly comfy, and I was using them with the wrong pin configuration. I guess you could order a ChrisHimself cable. He even offers a plain copper cable now, in addition to a hybrid (copper + silver plated copper) and a silver cable. The ear loops are similar to stock ear loops. http://headphonelounge.com/products/custom-cables/silver-ray-iem-cables/
Copper would be the best bet microphonic-wise, but the hybrid is the one that has me curious. I had the Moon Audio Silver Dragon IEM cable last summer, but I thought the silver gave the SM3 sound a bit of a sheen to it. Of course, I wonder now how listening with the pins inversed affected what I was hearing, lol.

Nah, you can't just switch the channels, all you'll be doing is exactly that switching the left / right sides while polarity stays the same in reverse. What you need to do is like Gilly said, the ear hoops need to be reversed, or heated, but I have tried with a furutech cable very similar to Dark Lord and even with a heat gun and hair dryer it was not easy turning out very rough.

The other option is to take the jack off and re-solder the negative and positive wires from the jack, that will indeed correct the problem without messing with the ear guides, that's the option I'm considering and a local electronics repair shop could probably do that fairly cheap, Unfortunately there's not many options on eBay that don't have pre-molded guides and ones that haven't are expensive.

There's a few custom makers on eBay such as this one for around $70, but I think going through Chris is probably a better idea.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271144319609?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

There is this cable but it's $100, I can't justify that price yet for SM3. But I can feel it would certainly help moving up to silver plated, I think there are benefits to be had. I wonder how may people are running around with their Westone cables plugged in listening in reverse phase. It's a real shame Earsonics did this configuration, real kick up the ass because it narrows our options. Doesn't make sense.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4-FEET-UPGRADE-CABLE-FOR-CUSTOM-WESTONE-UE-UM-JH-AUDIO-7N-UP-OCC-STRANDED-EXO-/271154726161?pt=US_Headphones&hash=item3f2214c511&_uhb=1


Edit: Here's how the Westone configuration goes. (it's rough but you get the idea) SM3 V2 is in reverse to that picture.


Edited by H20Fidelity - 3/10/13 at 1:57am
post #1027 of 1150
Off topic - the SM3 work great with the 1st Gen iPod shuffle. (Un-amped)

H20, remember a few months, I was asking you about the clip+ sound quality? I think the 1st Gen iPod shuffle can explain why I didn't like the clip+. the shuffle also put my iPod touch 5th Gen to shame and now it's up for sale. smily_headphones1.gif

The shuffle will be a mainstay in my source lineup. smily_headphones1.gif I love it's simplicity and of course it's SQ.
post #1028 of 1150
Yeah one of their biggest appeals is their portability due to efficiency; unfortunately its counteracted by the poor durability. Sm3 in UM3X RC shells would be a dream come true...
post #1029 of 1150
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Yeah one of their biggest appeals is their portability due to efficiency; unfortunately its counteracted by the poor durability. Sm3 in UM3X RC shells would be a dream come true...

Yep, that would work. SM3 in UM3X shell....at half the price. smily_headphones1.gif
post #1030 of 1150
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Off topic - the SM3 work great with the 1st Gen iPod shuffle. (Un-amped)

H20, remember a few months, I was asking you about the clip+ sound quality? I think the 1st Gen iPod shuffle can explain why I didn't like the clip+. the shuffle also put my iPod touch 5th Gen to shame and now it's up for sale. smily_headphones1.gif

The shuffle will be a mainstay in my source lineup. smily_headphones1.gif I love it's simplicity and of course it's SQ.

I don't exactly remember, redface.gif But it rings a bell or two,

I think Colorfly C3 would be a decent pairing for SM3 V2, but I cannot try atm because my unit is on loan, I'm using Rocco BA and Colorfly CK4+ / C&C BH rig, (mostly the rig) They sound decent, rather full, upfront, slightly thick, using a silver plated interconnect on my rig helps brighten them a touch. I don't have a problem with the mids sounding dark or veiled, I find them pretty spot on for their intended signature with a quick adjustment period. They have a certain tone to the mids which I can see appeals to SM3 lovers.

I kept reading they lack clarity, but I think there's enough there, my rig certainly push that through. I find the bass punchy / extents deep for BA, I need to put them through my CK4 / C&C BH to really milk the most from them and find it truly satisfying, I don't think a Clip+ will cut the mustard here. I am not overly impressed with their separation, if you have heard RDB+ V1 one can understand where I'm coming from. Detail wise, sure they're decent, you won't hear the tiniest of samples, but they weren't really focused with that in mind. I do enjoy that bass punch and tone they display in the mid range. Taylor Swift sounds really nice.

I believe it's just a general rule, as you go up to higher range IEM, your source should be upgraded otherwise you're merely limiting potential. Like putting a rev limiter on a car, or only turning a tap on half way. It's just... they ear rape me, (and I hate using that word), the fit and cable is just ***$#@$# to deal with. I put them in and feel like I'm being anal / ear probed. It makes me laugh how awkward the fit is for me. You insert these dongle double flange tips deeply into your ear which fold, bend, itch your ears, then mess around pulling on your ears wiggling them in every which way so they seal, then once that's done the cable chokes me pulling on the hoops. Combine all that together it kind of ruins the moment of listening. Comfort is important.

I need to change the cable for starters. It feels like I'm strapping myself into a torture device, and this is coming from someone who got a perfect fit straight up with TF10. There have been moments I've said to myself "nah I can't do this" having to unplug myself, retracting the rape tips from my ears. Comply won't seal for me (large ears) so it's out of the question. This is a first major fit problem for me personally.
Edited by H20Fidelity - 3/10/13 at 7:08pm
post #1031 of 1150

You might like a combo I had on my SM3 back in the day: reversed Sony hybrid -> Sennheiser large double flange. Makes a solid seal that should fit bigger ears.

 

Personally I love the stock double flanges. Perhaps the best tips I know of.

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Originally Posted by H20Fidelity View Post


I don't exactly remember, redface.gif But it rings a bell or two,

I think Colorfly C3 would be a decent pairing for SM3 V2, but I cannot try atm because my unit is on loan, I'm using Rocco BA and Colorfly CK4+ / C&C BH rig, (mostly the rig) They sound decent, rather full, upfront, slightly thick, using a silver plated interconnect on my rig helps brighten them a touch. I don't have a problem with the mids sounding dark or veiled, I find them pretty spot on for their intended signature with a quick adjustment period. They have a certain tone to the mids which I can see appeals to SM3 lovers.

I kept reading they lack clarity, but I think there's enough there, my rig certainly push that through. I find the bass punchy / extents deep for BA, I need to put them through my CK4 / C&C BH to really milk the most from them and find it truly satisfying, I don't think a Clip+ will cut the mustard here. I am not overly impressed with their separation, if you have heard RDB+ V1 one can understand where I'm coming from. Detail wise, sure they're decent, you won't hear the tiniest of samples, but they weren't really focused with that in mind. I do enjoy that bass punch and tone they display in the mid range. Taylor Swift sounds really nice.

I believe it's just a general rule, as you go up to higher range IEM, your source should be upgraded otherwise you're merely limiting potential. Like putting a rev limiter on a car, or only turning a tap on half way. It's just... they ear rape me, (and I hate using that word), the fit and cable is just ***$#@$# to deal with. I put them in and feel like I'm being anal / ear probed. It makes me laugh how awkward the fit is for me. You insert these dongle double flange tips deeply into your ear which fold, bend, itch your ears, then mess around pulling on your ears wiggling them in every which way so they seal, then once that's done the cable chokes me pulling on the hoops. Combine all that together it kind of ruins the moment of listening. Comfort is important.

I need to change the cable for starters. It feels like I'm strapping myself into a torture device, and this is coming from someone who got a perfect fit straight up with TF10. There have been moments I've said to myself "nah I can't do this" having to unplug myself, retracting the rape tips from my ears. Comply won't seal for me (large ears) so it's out of the question. This is a first major fit problem for me personally.
post #1032 of 1150
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

You might like a combo I had on my SM3 back in the day: reversed Sony hybrid -> Sennheiser large double flange. Makes a solid seal that should fit bigger ears.

Personally I love the stock double flanges. Perhaps the best tips I know of.

Yes, Techno Kid loves the double flanges too, so you're not alone. I will try your method certainly. smile.gif
post #1033 of 1150
Just a heads up, if your Sony hybrids have been used on any kind of slightly larger nozzles, they might be a little loose on the SM3; you might want to decore some Shure olives and layer them beneath the hybrids so the hybrid + senn biflange doesn't come out in your ear.
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Yes, Techno Kid loves the double flanges too, so you're not alone. I will try your method certainly. smile.gif
post #1034 of 1150
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

Just a heads up, if your Sony hybrids have been used on any kind of slightly larger nozzles, they might be a little loose on the SM3; you might want to decore some Shure olives and layer them beneath the hybrids so the hybrid + senn biflange doesn't come out in your ear.

I've actually made an adapter up by using the stem from an old pair of soundMAGIC PL21 tips which fits Hybrids and TF10 style tips, but with most I can't get enough reach to grab deep enough inside my ear canal. I had some more tips arrive today and will tinker around, I've tried a fair few alternatives, I'll get around to trying the above method too. There's one set of tips in particular I've ordered which I'm waiting on, they need to be used with an adapter and gave me a good fit with W3. They're rather rounded / oval shaped.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/180476879244?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Edited by H20Fidelity - 3/10/13 at 10:38pm
post #1035 of 1150
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

You might like a combo I had on my SM3 back in the day: reversed Sony hybrid -> Sennheiser large double flange. Makes a solid seal that should fit bigger ears.

 

Personally I love the stock double flanges. Perhaps the best tips I know of.


I also think the stock double flanges are the best...even on my Westone4s. Can't wait to get the star tips though!!

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