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post #886 of 1227

I consider my Advents to hold their own against current models and don't feel like technology related to sound quality has changed much with modern mid-level speakers like Definitive Technology or Polk.  Also, classic brands like JBL and Infiniti put out inferior products today compared to 25  years ago IMO.  I do feel the top end speakers are stellar today (a.k.a. B&W)      

I still remember how good the high end was with my old Inifiniti EMIT tweeters.  What does everyone think about general sound of today's loudspeakers vs. a generation ago?
 

post #887 of 1227

I hesitate to ask this question, but...most of the heavy gauge speaker wire that I have is difficult to use with vintage speakers and amps due to the smaller  binding post. I was thinking of grabbing some of this:

 

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

 

If you guys have better suggestions, please let me know. Soft and flexible/smaller gauge is my objective and I'm not looking to spend lot's of money. 


Edited by MattTCG - 7/14/13 at 5:39am
post #888 of 1227
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I hesitate to ask this question, but...most of the heavy gauge speaker wire that I have is difficult to use with vintage speakers and amps due to the smaller  binding post. I was thinking of grabbing some of this:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

If you guys have better suggestions, please let me know. Soft and flexible/smaller gauge is my objective and I'm not looking to spend lot's of money. 

I'm using some thick yet extremely soft and pliable Monster cable I found at Best Buy for my vintage hook ups. It fits the tiny hole.....barely. I also use banana clips whenever I can as well like on the Klipsch speakers. It didn't say what gauge it was anywhere on the reel BTW.
post #889 of 1227

Another few weeks go by, and I find myself building another wall of sound. I picked up some Kenwood KL-777's and Pioneer S-710's and decided to compare them to what I have setup, the McIntosh XR-16's with the SX-1980.

 

 

 

 

I also got a set of McIntosh XR-14's, but they showed up a bit broken, so I'll compare those another day after I get the parts in to fix them.

 

As expected (for Kenwoods and 15's), the Kenwoods are on the warm side. There is a very strong bass response all the way down and a balanced midrange and highs. There is definite overlap on the crossover frequencies that causes voices to sound "large." I'm not sure how to describe it, It's like listening to a tube amp, distortion-wise, though I know the inputs are clean from the SX-1980. The detail level is very good, but the noise floor keeps them from perfect resolution.. It would be good for vinyl, rock, club/house, and probably live recordings, but maybe not electronic/other music with a lot of headroom.

 

The Pioneer S-710's have replacement woofers in them so take anything bass related with a grain of salt. From the ribbon tweeter, the highs were impressive. Incredibly clear highs. Really spot on clarity. I can see why people pull these tweeters to put in other speakers. The midrange was near-clinical with low, barely noticeable distortion. Good resolution of details, but not quite as outstanding as the tweeter. The replacement woofers are good quality vintage Rolas, look like fiber-added sandwich manufacturing, have very heavy drivers, and are probably an appropriate and good replacement. HPM woofers might be more brand appropriate, but these are the ones I have now. They cost about the same either way. Speaking of the bass, it was still good. Since the woofers are smaller than the kenwoods, the bass sounds best when the highs are turned down on the speakers (giving it a little help). The total clarity of the highs make these speakers winners. The speakers were overall low distortion and would be good for most music and amp types.

 

Regarding the McIntosh XR-16's - they're perfect and you can't have them haha. They are easily in the top 3 speakers I have ever listened to. They have no noticeable distortion, good tight bass, mid, and high response, and are perfectly flat from about 20 hz to 50khz. If you like the heart stopping bass, you can equalize up the very low bass a bit. I like to add ~3db to the 15-50 hz range with music so that I can feel the deep bass in my chest even at low levels. I'm hoping the XR-14's are as good as the 16's once I get them going.

 

Hiding in the corner there are some Jensen TF-3's. I couldn't find parts so I'm parting them out so other people can find parts for theirs. They sounded pretty good, even down a tweeter. Very warm, good for rock/classic rock/guitars.

post #890 of 1227
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I'm using some thick yet extremely soft and pliable Monster cable I found at Best Buy for my vintage hook ups. It fits the tiny hole.....barely. I also use banana clips whenever I can as well like on the Klipsch speakers. It didn't say what gauge it was anywhere on the reel BTW.

That's the same cable I use, Monster-XR. I found 50ft on sale at radio shack for $11 once haha! I was extremely excited about that. It doesn't say a gauge, but it is 14 gauge. Nice, low capacitance and well made. If you need it to be slightly smaller, you can find/cut out the strengthening cord they wrap the wires around (only at the tips!). That'll get you a final half millimeter or so to play with.

post #891 of 1227
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I hesitate to ask this question, but...most of the heavy gauge speaker wire that I have is difficult to use with vintage speakers and amps due to the smaller  binding post. I was thinking of grabbing some of this:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

If you guys have better suggestions, please let me know. Soft and flexible/smaller gauge is my objective and I'm not looking to spend lot's of money. 

How about pin termination? The ends are small enough to fit into vintage speaker outputs and would work with just about everything except screw outputs. And you could use as thick wire as you wanted.

I've thought about this, but been too lazy to buy the parts.

From a signal integrity standpoint, I don't know how pins compare to bananas, spades, etc, but just seems like a more flexible firm factor.
post #892 of 1227

Wowza phoenix!

 

Thanks for the impression. Those McIntosh XR-16s sound super sweet.  If you don't mind me asking, what did they cost?

post #893 of 1227
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

I hesitate to ask this question, but...most of the heavy gauge speaker wire that I have is difficult to use with vintage speakers and amps due to the smaller  binding post. I was thinking of grabbing some of this:

 

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

 

If you guys have better suggestions, please let me know. Soft and flexible/smaller gauge is my objective and I'm not looking to spend lot's of money. 

 

I use clear day cables (silver).  The guy who makes them is just about the nicest person I have ever dealt with and his prices are very reasonable for what you get.  He will terminate them however you want so that you can make then fit and are quite flexible.  They are well reviewed on AudioGon - that is where I found out about them.  http://www.cleardaycables.com/

post #894 of 1227

Thanks guys!! Much appreciated.

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Matt I'm doing the "White Lightning" cables when I get home.
Edited by Trav - 7/14/13 at 4:24pm
post #896 of 1227

Can you only get those in Alabama? tongue.gif I can make that joke because I'm from there. 

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Lol found the thread on 6 Moons. I think TSA would find them suspect. BTW WAR EAGLE!
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Somebody better snatch "the wall of sound" up while they still can http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ele/3921897167.html

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14 speakers wired in parallel.... assuming 8-ohm impedance per speaker.... sounds like a great way to blow up an amp! biggrin.gif

post #900 of 1227

HAHA! Next up on "what not to do"...

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