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I've got one for you guys: Danger Mouse - Rome. That is my test album for technical proficiency. Its basically perfect.

Love Kalya Scintilla. You guys should check out Bluetech, he does a really goOd remix of a KS track and his album Rainforest Reverberations has excellent production values.
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Just got my 3rd pair of GR07 Classics. Hopefully I will have these in my life one way or another for a long time.

 

Every time I listen to these I fall in love with them all over again.

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Hi there, so apparently the GR07 was like $180 a few years ago? Now I see it available on sites like lend me ur ears and penonaudio for $100. I am currently using the Vsonic VSD3S, a $50 IEM also from Vsonic. Is it worth spending another $50 for the GR07? 

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Originally Posted by willy156 View Post

Hi there, so apparently the GR07 was like $180 a few years ago? Now I see it available on sites like lend me ur ears and penonaudio for $100. I am currently using the Vsonic VSD3S, a $50 IEM also from Vsonic. Is it worth spending another $50 for the GR07? 
VERY YES if it is before your vsd3s and WAIT;) now since you already own vsd3s and vsd5 release is anytime soon......if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by willy156 View Post
 

Hi there, so apparently the GR07 was like $180 a few years ago? Now I see it available on sites like lend me ur ears and penonaudio for $100. I am currently using the Vsonic VSD3S, a $50 IEM also from Vsonic. Is it worth spending another $50 for the GR07? 


absolutely,,,,vsd3 cannot match gr07

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absolutely,,,,vsd3 cannot match gr07

Does that mean the vsd3 is the successor to the the vsd1s and the vsd5 is the successor for the gr07

Im so tempted to get a pair of the vsd3, but i cant find a place that sells the other colours, only blk
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The successor of the gr07 is the vsd7 not the vsd5, the vdd5 is supposedly tuned to sound like the ex1000.

 

I owned a gr07 and while I liked the neutral tuning, the bass and the mids, I had to let it go because of the treble peaks at 6-7khz and 10khz. Unfortunately I am very sensitive to those frequencies and I was getting a lot of fatigue. Still i am thinking of giving the gr07 another chance so i'd like to know if any of you guys have discovered any tips that settle those peaks without making it sound warmer or darker.

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The successor of the gr07 is the vsd7 not the vsd5, the vdd5 is supposedly tuned to sound like the ex1000.

 

I owned a gr07 and while I liked the neutral tuning, the bass and the mids, I had to let it go because of the treble peaks at 6-7khz and 10khz. Unfortunately I am very sensitive to those frequencies and I was getting a lot of fatigue. Still i am thinking of giving the gr07 another chance so i'd like to know if any of you guys have discovered any tips that settle those peaks without making it sound warmer or darker.

 

I own 3 pairs, 2 blue and one Maroon colored. Use them all the time as my main IEM. I don't think there's really a good way to target those frequencies specifically. Using slightly narrower diameter tips should make the treble a bit more tamed, but that will lower it on the whole, and you'll lose some of the "air".

 

My maroon pair is slightly less crackly in the 6KHz area up top, though seems to have some air still. I note that the maroon colored versions of the GR07 seem to have a slight "matte" and soft feel to the housing, most likely due to the maroon coloring. The blue pairs I have are however both "hard plastic" feeling. Both blue pairs are also slightly hotter in the treble, which I like. Probably just production variation though, and probably impossible to guarantee you got a unit which happened to have a slightly different FR in the way you are looking for. I note that the swiveling nozzles on the maroon pair seem to be seated slightly closer to the housing, not as much of the ball bearing part of it is visible. May account for the different FR since that would slightly change the proportions and proximity to the driver.

 

I will say that, depending on how long you owned the GR07 before, after a few weeks/mnths my brain has completely adjusted to the GR07 peaks and somewhat compensated for them. Before I got the GR07 I never thought I was a treble-enthusiast and in my own mixing and mastering work I've always been sensitive to the 5KHz area and always prefered that slightly recessed to avoid fatigue. But the Gr07s are just so damn textured and lively that is never for me becomes like a wall of sound, it always manages to render the smallest hihat clicks and drum hits to make sure there's always information in the treble and not just a blank wall of treble, which for me is the main cause of fatigue, when it feels like there is no definition.

 

However using them also means that you need to keep volume low enough where you can't really fully enjoy the oomph of the lower frequencies. It leads with the treble to an extent, with the bass in particular more along for the ride.

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Originally Posted by Airlight View Post
 

 

I own 3 pairs, 2 blue and one Maroon colored. Use them all the time as my main IEM. I don't think there's really a good way to target those frequencies specifically. Using slightly narrower diameter tips should make the treble a bit more tamed, but that will lower it on the whole, and you'll lose some of the "air".

 

My maroon pair is slightly less crackly in the 6KHz area up top, though seems to have some air still. I note that the maroon colored versions of the GR07 seem to have a slight "matte" and soft feel to the housing, most likely due to the maroon coloring. The blue pairs I have are however both "hard plastic" feeling. Both blue pairs are also slightly hotter in the treble, which I like. Probably just production variation though, and probably impossible to guarantee you got a unit which happened to have a slightly different FR in the way you are looking for. I note that the swiveling nozzles on the maroon pair seem to be seated slightly closer to the housing, not as much of the ball bearing part of it is visible. May account for the different FR since that would slightly change the proportions and proximity to the driver.

 

I will say that, depending on how long you owned the GR07 before, after a few weeks/mnths my brain has completely adjusted to the GR07 peaks and somewhat compensated for them. Before I got the GR07 I never thought I was a treble-enthusiast and in my own mixing and mastering work I've always been sensitive to the 5KHz area and always prefered that slightly recessed to avoid fatigue. But the Gr07s are just so damn textured and lively that is never for me becomes like a wall of sound, it always manages to render the smallest hihat clicks and drum hits to make sure there's always information in the treble and not just a blank wall of treble, which for me is the main cause of fatigue, when it feels like there is no definition.

 

However using them also means that you need to keep volume low enough where you can't really fully enjoy the oomph of the lower frequencies. It leads with the treble to an extent, with the bass in particular more along for the ride.

 

Thanks for the detailed reply :normal_smile :. I've owned it for two months (mkII version) and i couldn't get used to the peaks. I've always been like this, peaky treble will cause me listening fatigue no matter how much i try to get used to it. I really like a nice, extended treble but it has to be relatively flat in those regions. I am also not a fan of overemphasized detail, flat and neutral may sound boring to some but it's the sound signature i prefer.

 

Besides, i prefer mid to high volume when listening to my music, so i'd really like to find an optimal way to deal with those peaks. 

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It definitely sounds like it works against you in some fundamental ways. Unfortunately EQing is probably the only way to deal with it, and you'd probably need a parametric EQ where you could dial in specific frequencies. I don't think a 10-band EQ would be enough to properly target the 6 and 10K peaks, since they're quite narrow, the first one generally seeming to reach from about 6.5K to just a bit over 7 like you say.

 

Don't have any tips for you I'm afraid. If you want to try something specific I could certainly try it for you and report the results.

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Originally Posted by Airlight View Post
 

It definitely sounds like it works against you in some fundamental ways. Unfortunately EQing is probably the only way to deal with it, and you'd probably need a parametric EQ where you could dial in specific frequencies. I don't think a 10-band EQ would be enough to properly target the 6 and 10K peaks, since they're quite narrow, the first one generally seeming to reach from about 6.5K to just a bit over 7 like you say.

 

Don't have any tips for you I'm afraid. If you want to try something specific I could certainly try it for you and report the results.

 

You are right, a parametric EQ doesn't cut it. I'd like to avoid EQing though, too much fuss for a mobile setup imo. I would be happy with a decent compromise, maybe a pair of foamies or a dampening material that makes the 6.5 peak a little less prominent. Have you found any flanges or foamies that could do the trick?

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So I've done some tests with using different tips in either ear and estimating the difference in FR by mono-ing a song in an audio app, and panning left and right to see how each ear/tip sound, aswell as subjective tests with normal listening.

 

- The widest bore tips I have that work on the GR07 (wider bore tips generally are too wide for the GR07 nozzle to stay on) are a grey pair I got with some other IEMs. Not sure that model. They result in very treble-rich and uninhibited dynamics and clicks, though not what you want obviously since it also has the 6K peak uninhibited.

 

- The included VSonic tips (either of the ones in this picture, with the GR07 for scale, http://www.lendmeurears.com/images/00027227_01%20-%20Copy.jpg) with slightly smaller bore, slightly soften the treble relative to the above pair. Note that the GR07 Classic currently does not include any of the colored tips in that picture, only a few black tips with similar bore size and a foam pair.

 

- For fun I tried the smallest diameter tip I have, which is the tip for a pair of Klipsch S4i (http://images.klipsch.com/x2_1d8a94eb079cfff8088f63de47728e20_635042141559060000_medium.jpg). They fit, however snuggly, thanks to the soft silicon used. Seem to stay on great.

This match of tip and GR07 is actually really great-sounding. The GR07s smooth over and become a mid-centric IEM with awesome vibrating bass, however the treble is still pretty extended and doesn't roll off the very top as dramatically as you'd expect. It still manages to retain an overall pretty snappy sound, only now instead of hihats mainly crackling, they have a more mid-centric "cardboard"-y slap to them. The treble still smoothly gives them a mild click so it still sounds fairly defined and not overly veiled.

 

 

- Based on these findings, and how the GR07 responds going from the widest to very narrow tips, they seem to respond very well to tip size changes, becoming more and more mid/bass-centric as you size down, but even with very narrow bore they keep a balanced sound and the highest frequencies are there, though a bit in the distance. For most other IEMs I've ever used I'v hated the sound of narrower bore tips simply because it immediately veils the sound, but the GR07s are so crackly, defined and fast on the attack that they can punch through enough despite narrower tips, so they scale very well in this regard it seems.

 

So if you can manage to track down a bore size which is smaller than the included tips, probably a bit wider than the very narrow Klipsch ones, then you'd probably have a pretty good fit for the sound you're after. The tip length and material might create further variables but this seems to be generally true.

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That's promising, thanks for the tests! I certainly don't want more bass but if i can smooth out the treble a bit i will be a happy camper.

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No problem. I hope whatever decision you make works out. :)

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Wonderful sounding track/album on the GR07 for the prog-metal inclined:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFpPqvEV2O0

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