VSONIC GR07 Impressions & Appreciation Thread - Page 10

why does the foobar2000 player sound so much better than winamp?

I had to edit my post because the foobar player fixed all my missing mid bass issues with the gr07.

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Originally Posted by Darkestred 

I'd have to agree with the comment about the foam tips.  They are great but they pull the cores out real easily.  Did that the first time i switched tips. 

 

As for the GR07s.  They are a really nice IEM.  Some harshness with sibilance (only 8 hours so far).  But, i don't mind it.  For the music I listen to, it almost compliments the cymbals.  There is something that these IEMs do very well that not even my phonak's or K701s can mimic.  It is something with the weight or attack of the drum kits.  The GR07 just adds this depth to snare hits and I love it.  Almost like the hits envelope you.  I have nothing but praise for these phones.  At times they seem a little on the dark side and things become muddled in the fact that clarity is sorta lost to the warmth.  If that makes sense.

Funny, why are you comparing GR07 to something with zero bass decay? (at least not a lot)

There are other IEMs that do decay far better similar with bass or highs texture and detail.

They're not really dark or warm at all to me, but the extension could be better.

Perhaps they feel this way to you since you're coming from bright headphones?

Both of these also feature higher end boost, esp. K701. (Phonak's black filters trim it some.) PFE 122 is also a bit cold as in anti-warm. (midbass cut)

K701 is pretty even and black filtered 122s don't lack midbass or warmth and slightly lack highs. 

 Darkestred  , Give em time. Don't know them first hand but I've heard the sense of congestion lift with break in.

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Originally Posted by greenrolaids 

why does the foobar2000 player sound so much better than winamp?

 

I had to edit my post because the foobar player fixed all my missing mid bass issues with the gr07.

 

 

Foobar is just really good though I hate that it won't maintian a wav library. You can get winamp close by going through the configure options.

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Originally Posted by greenrolaids 

why does the foobar2000 player sound so much better than winamp?

 

I had to edit my post because the foobar player fixed all my missing mid bass issues with the gr07.

 

 

Sorry for offtopic, but I can't stay low on this...

greenrolaids, turn thy winamp's EQ off. There can't be any difference you had told above, if only there were enabled some unwanted apps, or thy EQ was messed up.

All that Foobar2000 uber-SQ are nothing but roomers, myths and self-deception ... Wasapi and Kernel Streaming may bring minor benefits, but in no way that big to change a headphone signature.. 

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Originally Posted by AstralStorm 

Funny, why are you comparing GR07 to something with zero bass decay? (at least not a lot)

There are other IEMs that do decay far better similar with bass or highs texture and detail.

 

They're not really dark or warm at all to me, but the extension could be better.

Perhaps they feel this way to you since you're coming from bright headphones?

Both of these also feature higher end boost, esp. K701. (Phonak's black filters trim it some.) PFE 122 is also a bit cold as in anti-warm. (midbass cut)

As for the GR07 dark/warm comment.  Since I wasn't accurately describing them but more of a hard to explain observation.  It may have just been the particular album and the way it was recorded.  Maybe I was lost in what I was doing and notice that said album sounded different vs the other 2.   I think good vibes used a good word, congested. 

Goodvibes - thanks for that.  I'm not too worried.  I really dig the GR07s.  If they get better - great (;
 

Winamp had its eq off and then on.

Foobar with the stock non eq'd settings brought out the mid bass that was missing with windows media player and winamp.

I dont understand why, but i was doing a back to back over and over again and foobar brought out the mid bass that was missing with the others.

it was not a, oh thats a little better, but a-lot better.

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Originally Posted by greenrolaids 

Winamp had its eq off and then on.

 

Foobar with the stock non eq'd settings brought out the mid bass that was missing with windows media player and winamp.

 

I dont understand why, but i was doing a back to back over and over again and foobar brought out the mid bass that was missing with the others.

 

it was not a, oh thats a little better, but a-lot better.

 

 

Don't worry, you're not alone.   IMHO Foobar does sound better than winamp.  Out of the box and with the wider band.  I've tried everything in winamp but it doesn't compare to foobar.  I don't think its leaps and bounds better but it sounds better to my ears.
 

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Originally Posted by AlexRoma 

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Originally Posted by greenrolaids 

why does the foobar2000 player sound so much better than winamp?

 

I had to edit my post because the foobar player fixed all my missing mid bass issues with the gr07.

 

 

 

Sorry for offtopic, but I can't stay low on this...

 

greenrolaids, turn thy winamp's EQ off. There can't be any difference you had told above, if only there were enabled some unwanted apps, or thy EQ was messed up.

 

All that Foobar2000 uber-SQ are nothing but roomers, myths and self-deception ... Wasapi and Kernel Streaming may bring minor benefits, but in no way that big to change a headphone signature.. 

My last comment. Winamp can be close/same quality if setup correctly but they won't sound identical and it's default EQ setting is off. It does have a clipping monitor that can be shut down. I'd get some output plug in for Wasapi, Kernel or ASIO depending on platform and go from there. By the way, Media Monkey is built on Winamp and plugins are generally interchangable. I can easily hear the difference between software players all setup optimumly via ASIO, wasapi, or kernel on a PC. The extra processing of lossless loses some of this ( not going further there either) but try a Hi Def .wav file through some good kit like a Weiss int202 through a vg DAC and it will be apparent. I don't use any of these free players when I need to use a PC for tunes and use Wavelab instead. It's a bit better. Not going to argue about it here because using a computer for audio isn't my idea of Hi End or absolutes in sound anyways but there's a reason that even Apple users are searching out and comparing new software players like Amarra, Pure Music etc. They all have direct paths yet are not difficult to differentiate if your kit and setup is up to it.

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Originally Posted by dweaver 

I have glasses and use the ear guides exclusively with zero issues?? I think they have one of the best ear guides given with an IEM.

Whenever I have sunglasses or a cap on, they hold the wires tucked in. However, it is annoying to feel the ear guides flapping when I am not wearing glasses or a cap... the only con for me in regards to the GR07 so far.

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Originally Posted by AngryBaconGod 

Yeah, the cable is definitely the one obvious weakness in these.

Yes, I agree with that, I'll post a picture of my defected area soon.

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Originally Posted by AngryBaconGod 



Oh, too bad.

My cable is perfectly fine... it's just not very good.

Oh, my housing has split from the cable.

It's a shame some people have some build quality issues, but I'm immensely happy with my GR07s. With over 300 hrs on them, they actually sound more sibilant now than before (I think it's because I keep turning up the volume more and more) but still, they spank the hell out of my cheapies the Superlux 381F. The 381F is no slouch for a budget IEM, but the difference is night and day when switching between the two. Even though it's not really a fair fight, the instrumental separation on the GR07 is far superior, the timbre is far more realistic, and texturing/layering makes the detail feel so much more satisfying. I also use the GR07 on a much more regular basis than my DBA-02 that I've loaned my DBAs out to my friends for an extended period.

The GR07s just have gobs of detail and control, and even though some people may feel it's a little boring, it's also that attribute that allows it to be so measured and composed. I don't mind the broad treble 'spike' and I also think it matches very well against the FX700. They're very different IEMs in nature, and I personally find the GR07 to be more enjoyable. I guess I'm just a more analytical listener.