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post #1186 of 1208

FYI Mark 2 versions of both AP1 and AP2 hardware are now available.

 

Also firmware updates for all models now available, plus a good firmware update to PurePower (recommended for all users)

http://www.audiophilleo.com/support.aspx


Edited by HumanMedia - 3/3/15 at 7:40pm
post #1187 of 1208

This is a Brand i was not aware of untill i read this post .The price is a bit high if you take the competition into consideration and would like to get some honest opinios for its price ($949) range.

post #1188 of 1208
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It sounds a lot better after 200+ hours, leave a track on 24/7 you can turn off your amp. Better if you can use a dedicated burn in track or Pink noise.

 

I bought it used, so it was already well-used. I think the harshness is noise from the computer and the Audiophilleo can't totally clean it all out, not helped by a less-than optimal power set-up.

 

I will probably either sell the AP2/PP or I will probably pick up an Auraliti unit and a decent power conditioner (most likely the latter, as I do like the AP2/PP and think it can help in the right set-up). More $$$, but I'm believing less and less in using a computer as a main audio source.

post #1189 of 1208
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Originally Posted by Alou View Post
 

This is a Brand i was not aware of untill i read this post .The price is a bit high if you take the competition into consideration and would like to get some honest opinios for its price ($949) range.

 

 

Audiophilleo was one of the first to do an all-out, spare no expense DDC like this. They are the real deal. I compared to some newer competitors like the Off-Ramp and Bel Canto RefLink, and preferred the AP1 with PurePower. 

post #1190 of 1208

If you want to cut down noise from the computer something like the Schiit Wyrd might work, but yes there are some USB transports which are less forward than the AP2/PP.

 

Yes computer audio is an uphill battle, but it's all in the journey right?

post #1191 of 1208
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If you want to cut down noise from the computer something like the Schiit Wyrd might work, but yes there are some USB transports which are less forward than the AP2/PP.

 

Yes computer audio is an uphill battle, but it's all in the journey right?

 

Agreed, the Offramp 5 is smoother/more rolled off sounding which could be a better match depending on the system. 

post #1192 of 1208
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Originally Posted by drez View Post
 

If you want to cut down noise from the computer something like the Schiit Wyrd might work, but yes there are some USB transports which are less forward than the AP2/PP.

 

Yes computer audio is an uphill battle, but it's all in the journey right?


At that point, you'd be using two units just to "calm down" the crap coming out of the computer. I wouldn't trust the source at all, by that point, no matter how well it is cleaned up. I threw together a CD-based rig by an outlet away from the computer and it sounds instantly cleaner than anything I've tried near my computer (my old Sony 300 CD carousel, Fostex A8 Dac, Magni and HD600).

post #1193 of 1208

Would the AP2 with pure power benefit the newer dac's over $1500? It wont do dsd so let's leave that format out of the question (but not those dac's).

post #1194 of 1208
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Would the AP2 with pure power benefit the newer dac's over $1500? It wont do dsd so let's leave that format out of the question (but not those dac's).

 

 

Depends on the DAC, but in many cases it definitely does.

 

It's pretty rare for most DACs to have a complete, balls-to-the-wall, state of the art USB section, when the DAC itself is built to a price. Even a relatively expensive DAC at $1500+ has to make some concessions for budget, not to mention space constraints inside their cases. Most of these DACs are using off the shelf implementations from XMOS, C-Media, etc, which can range from mediocre to excellent depending on the situation. 

 

I'd say almost every DAC I've encountered (with a few expensive exceptions) benefits from the Audiophilleo setup. The question is how much. Paying that much for a 2% boost in SQ is not really worth it, but if it's more substantial then it can be a good buy. Unfortunately there's only one way to find out....

post #1195 of 1208
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Originally Posted by RubyTiger View Post
 

Would the AP2 with pure power benefit the newer dac's over $1500? It wont do dsd so let's leave that format out of the question (but not those dac's).

 

I definitely think it will, though a lot of DACs now sport very good USB implementations, but upgrading the transport is always worthwhile. I bought the AP2 on an impulse last year and It was an interesting surprise at how the AP2 improved a lot of DACs, like the Rega DAC, Emotiva XDA-2 and my Yamaha receiver's built-in PCM1796 DAC (granted they are all on the lower end of the scale and sport worthless USB interfaces). It was one of my more fun discoveries in the last year, seeing the audible improvements possible with high quality low jitter transports. Also did some experiments with the M2Tech Hiface, Concero and AP2 and was fun seeing the differences in how they sound and/or benefited from an external power supply.

 

A lot of DACs in the $1500 range also sound inconsistent using different inputs (PS Audio NuWave for example) and adding a good transport can negate some of these performance variations or allow you to optimise your transport to provide the best quality signal to the best interface. Improving the overall jitter performance is a worthwhile pursuit in any digital system.


Edited by daerron - 3/15/15 at 2:32am
post #1196 of 1208

Hopefully in the near future, I'm going to be able to audition an Auralic Aries, with the femtoclocks. I'll plan on trying it both with and without the AP2/PP. My original plan was to try an Auraliti, but the premium Aries has the femtos and the linear power supply for about $200 more than the PK90 w/ optional linear power supply.

post #1197 of 1208

I just preordered a 2Qute dac. I will be trying my AP2 with pure power on it. For now I will be using it with my Burson Conductor if I can bypass it's internal dac. My other amp's not due until May or June.

post #1198 of 1208
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Originally Posted by RubyTiger View Post
 

I just preordered a 2Qute dac. I will be trying my AP2 with pure power on it. For now I will be using it with my Burson Conductor if I can bypass it's internal dac. My other amp's not due until May or June.


I have my 2Qute on order as well. Have you got yours yet? and if so, how much improvement does the AP2 offer to the 2Qute?

post #1199 of 1208
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According to Rob Watts, the new 2Qutes have galvanically isolated USB, so the APs might not make any significant difference. I know that when I run my Hugo using a Schiit Wyrd USB isolator, I get the same results as with the AP1/PP.

post #1200 of 1208

I just read on the 2Qute thread there's an unconfirmed two week delay now. The 2Qute has already been launched as the first production was sold out in March.

 

There may be some units from the March release still at the retailers. The next was said to be released at the end of April.

 

We are at the mercy of the system as usual.

 

edit:  Rob Watts has spoken on the 2Qute thread and say's there's a couple of batches; one to go out this week (sold out) and one next week (sold out).  But,

        the unit is still heavily back ordered.


Edited by RubyTiger - 4/13/15 at 9:32am
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