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Originally Posted by james444 View Post


Well. I have no special ties to Dimitri apart from the fact that he's been impeccable to deal with. But what you're doing here may well be considered slandering, therefore I can't leave it uncommented. (Sorry @rawrster for going temporarily off-topic in your thread.)

 

"He did not get this from the manufacturers or the driver maker" - You obviously have no way of knowing where he gets his information from.

 

"he was also the origination of Final Audios being MAs which was a complete falsehood" - Utterly wrong. That was my own false conclusion when I A/Bed the Final Audios against the e-Q7 and thought they sounded eerily similar. Dimitri even expressed his doubts about my assumption, but said he didn't know for sure. Btw I've long since openly apologized for my mistake and corrected my review.

 

"He doesn't sell Grado" - and yet the GR10 reviewed in this very thread have been bought from him.

 

"it's advantageous to think them identical at a lower price just like it was to think Finals some new technology" - AFAIK you've never talked to the man yourself and not once in our conversations did he claim that Final Audios were some new technology.

 

Like I said, I have no special ties to the man. But honestly, did it ever occur to you, that your repeated and adamant clutching at every straw to point out significant differences between the GR10 and other (cheaper) MAs might make a lot of folks wonder about your own relationship to Grado? Oh, and one more thing: I've openly apologized for my mistake, maybe you should also consider apologizing to Dimitri.

 

Again, sorry rawrster, sometimes there are things that just have to be said. I will not comment further on this matter.


Wow James, your post is so much not like you. In a way it reminds me - only a little, let me make that very clear - of that rather nasty character, music_4321. And since your post is nothing like the james444 we've all come to know, I'll do something that is very unlike music_4321 - yes, it's emoticon time! wink.gif

 

post #32 of 42

Hence my previous posts and the blink.gif.  The statement didn't jive at all to me.

post #33 of 42
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Originally Posted by yello131 View Post

According to Dimitri, Grado GR10 and Ortofon e-q7 share exactly the same Balanced Armature Driver.

 Obviously that is the only thing these two have in common.

and e-Q5 uses somewhat modified driver,  so it will obviously sound different then both grados and e-Q7s

 

 

^^
 

 

post #34 of 42

Well James. I also apologies for assuming that Dimitri had told you that Finals were MAs but I thought that had to come from more than a listen??, especially since I saw it mentioned in another review. Still, my mistake in trying to understand why he would have said that when it's now clear to me that he didn't. Sorry to drag you in and my apologies on that to Dimitri who, as I've stated, obviously takes very good care of his customers. I would never hesitate to buy from him. I know for a fact that Yashima's policy is to not give info about products or parts supplied to their vendors so I don't understand what reliable source the info could come from. Grado says they have changed some materials from the first generation. I'll take them at their printed word. Of course, what some consider 'same' may also be vague.

 

I take no offense by your post and thanks for correcting some things but I do recall the hoops I needed to jump through to get the design of the Finals sorted here and I don't want this to get away from us in the same way. In the process. I obviously over did it. These do all apparently have similarities so what they use isn't that important but the sameness shoudn't be overstated so that folks actually listen for themselves and understand the differences. Nothing sounds the same though I believe the same driver position with same filter, tips, nozzle and similar insertion should do so, regardless of the case unless quite different in bass loading.

 

 I think the differences should be more articulated instead of melding them together. We already have those that prefer the Grados and others that didn't care for them at all. Value is relative but there is no denying that the E-q5 represents a great deal.  I thought both Jokers' and Rawster's takes on these very good. I quite like hybrids on E-q5s but not so much on the GR10s and it's not do to fit. They are just enough different to prefer different tips though oddly enough sound more tonally similar with those different tips. I honestly wouldn't recommend the GR10 if one of the supplied tips didn't fit but think that there's a bit more refinement and space between notes available there if they do. Problem is that your ducks need to be lined up to benefit but I think that's true of most $400 IEMs looking for those attributes. It's always a questionable market for commercial DAPs and compressed files.


Edited by goodvibes - 2/2/14 at 6:50am
post #35 of 42
Sorry to rekindle a dead thread, but do you think that the Westone 4's are a significant upgrade over the Ortofon e-Q5's? I was wondering if the extra price of the Westone 4's would be worth the upgrade.
post #36 of 42

The Westone 4 is slightly better than the eQ-5, but there are qualities about the eQ-5 that are better than the Westone 4. The Westone 4 has more quantity in the bass, the instrument separation and imaging is better, there is more depth in the soundstage and micro details is better. The eQ-5 on the other hand is more transparent, the bass has more impact but less quantity, the treble extends higher, the soundstage is wider but has less depth, and it has better coherence among all the frequency. The Westone 4 is technically superior, but I find the eQ-5 more enjoyable for my preference. I listen to many different genre of music and because the eQ-5 is so well balanced that I grab the eQ-5 on the go more than the Westone 4. ( The eQ-5 also provides better isolation ).

post #37 of 42
Thanks! I think I should just save some money and get the Ortofon's then.
post #38 of 42
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Not quite double: GR10 priced at 399US and I believe you still can get e-Q5 on promotional Sale from MA at $249
 

In Japan they come at 100 Euro, but no idea about the possible taxes, because not an EU Country.

post #39 of 42
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^^
 

 

I did read the same on a German site.

post #40 of 42

Had both GR10 and Eq5 side by side for a week and they are clearly not the same. Let 3 other people listen for themselves and all came to a GR10 preference. Value is another matter and personal.

post #41 of 42
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post
 

Had both GR10 and Eq5 side by side for a week and they are clearly not the same. Let 3 other people listen for themselves and all came to a GR10 preference. Value is another matter and personal.


Very intresting indeed,even if the same technique, the fine Tuning could be and is those from Grado.Today the Price for the EQ5 is between 179-199 Euro instead of 275 Euro, the Grado´s still go 399 Euro wich is over 500 Dollar.Ortofon isn´t that orginal either as the Styling is very similiar to the Final Adagio V, but needless to say you have the Impression to get more from your Money than the plastic Grado´s, otherwise in the end it is the Sound that matters, and I have the IGI ´s wich also look very cheap but they Sound the Business,certainly with a headphone amp. I don´t have a portable yet but with my pc I use a Teac UD-H01 and with this one the IGI´s shine, but as you can imagine,I would like the GR10 on this amp, but not at the ridiculous high Price of today at least in Europe.

post #42 of 42

If you're in Europe, the Ortofon is the way to go. There wil be new models form both manufacturers showing up in the next few months. You may want to look into the upcoming Ortofon E-q8.

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