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post #9931 of 18011

Sigh, okay, so what about the Emotiva Mini-X A-100 with the HE-400's in case I end up with those? Will the HE-400's pair well with the Emotiva Mini-X A-100?

post #9932 of 18011
I remember seeing some people saying they do that but they are very sensitive and will not be easy to use with it. At least not as easy as the he500.

Would you guys say that I should buy a hrt ms2 for $87 for a DAC in an emotiva and he500 rig? Or should I just wait till I can find an aune t1 at around $100 used?
post #9933 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Nimzerz View Post

I remember seeing some people saying they do that but they are very sensitive and will not be easy to use with it. At least not as easy as the he500.

Would you guys say that I should buy a hrt ms2 for $87 for a DAC in an emotiva and he500 rig? Or should I just wait till I can find an aune t1 at around $100 used?

So is no amping typically needed for the HE-400's?

 

If you can get an HRT MusicStreamer II for $87 jump on it!

post #9934 of 18011
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

So is no amping typically needed for the HE-400's?

If you can get an HRT MusicStreamer II for $87 jump on it!
Well I've read that the modi is better and I've been wanting the aune t1 frown.gif you sure?
post #9935 of 18011
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Well I've read that the modi is better and I've been wanting the aune t1 frown.gif you sure?


I was just going off price alone. Thats cheaper than I had seen one before. I dont have a Modi yet and have never heard the Aune T1, but I do have all the DACs in my sig list and the MusicStreamer II is very popular for a good reason in that price range of DACs.

post #9936 of 18011
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Crack is not mean for planars, won't sound very good. Get the Mini-X A-100.
If u want higer end quality of sound..get urself a vintage luxman/mcintosh/marantz amp..or if u have some budget.. A 339/337 (just saw what it costs to get it shipped from china..almost 600usd!! eek.gif)so if u want those amps it will cost ya above 1000usd now!! Thats wooaudio wa2 territory pricewise! redface.gif
Or a woo audio wa2 and there are some other headphone amps around 1000usd who will do a perfect job!
post #9937 of 18011

You should seriously stop recommending WA2 in this thread. It doesn't have what it takes. And yes, I have heard one clipping because of lack of power (into low impedance HE-500).

post #9938 of 18011
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You should seriously stop recommending WA2 in this thread. It doesn't have what it takes. And yes, I have heard one clipping because of lack of power (into low impedance HE-500).
I dont know on what u state that as i heard a wa2 driving my he500 perfectly..and quoting one of the more respected/experienced posters here on headfi:

I cannot really understand how people can really be saying that the WA2 is underpowering the HE-500. The WA22 delivers a rated 1.5W in 30 ohms or something, and if there were a whole lot I was missing out with the WA2 - it would show in a direct comparison. I used the 5998 tubes in the WA22 to be sure I got the best of it, whilst I used some RCA 6080's in the WA2 to make my little comparison more universal.

The sound from the WA2/HE500 is nice and fast sounding, very spacious with great soundstage. The bass is well defined and generous and reaches deep. Highs are crisp and clear, mids are clear and delicate. In comparison, the WA22 has a pretty similiar sound sig (i would call them clear-sounding), but the bass is slightly more punchy, and things are a bit more defined in a way - but not so that I necessarily prefer the WA22 way. They are a bit different, but often either presentation has its right.

Come to think of it - this must be a pretty good way of investigating the issue of how much power the HE-500 needs, I mean - using two amps that are designed by the same man to have a similar sound signature, but with internal design and different power outputs.


I totally agree with this quote ( quote is not mine!) ..but everyone has different ears..but never heard anyone saying a wa2 clipping with any phone..except maybe with a he6!

I by the way found out how much power a standard 337 has: 1 watt into 600ohm, dont have a clue how much he has into 25ohm.

But..we all hear different..so whats right for one..is wrong for another... wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/20/13 at 2:54pm
post #9939 of 18011
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

I enjoy them balanced but still rarely use them. The HE 500 just do everything better, IMO. I use the cable from the HE-6. 

 

 

What amps are preferred?

 


How do you like that OCC Copper Balanced cable from the HE-6 versus the silver cable from the HE-500?
post #9940 of 18011
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post

I enjoy them balanced but still rarely use them. The HE 500 just do everything better, IMO. I use the cable from the HE-6. 

 

 

What amps are preferred?

 


How do you like that OCC Copper Balanced cable from the HE-6 versus the silver cable from the HE-500?
The he500 is also copper..its silverplated copper..not silver wire..
post #9941 of 18011
Can anyone here that has the hrt ms2 let me know how it works with the he500 and emotiva? Thanks
post #9942 of 18011
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Originally Posted by jamato8 View Post
 

I enjoy them balanced but still rarely use them. The HE 500 just do everything better, IMO. I use the cable from the HE-6. 

 

 

What amps are preferred?

 


How do you like that OCC Copper Balanced cable from the HE-6 versus the silver cable from the HE-500?

I don't have the silver cable. Mine came with a different cable originally and have always used the HE-6 cable, which I like. 

post #9943 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post

I dont know on what u state that as i heard a wa2 driving my he500 perfectly..and quoting one of the more respected/experienced posters here on headfi:

I cannot really understand how people can really be saying that the WA2 is underpowering the HE-500. The WA22 delivers a rated 1.5W in 30 ohms or something, and if there were a whole lot I was missing out with the WA2 - it would show in a direct comparison. I used the 5998 tubes in the WA22 to be sure I got the best of it, whilst I used some RCA 6080's in the WA2 to make my little comparison more universal.

The sound from the WA2/HE500 is nice and fast sounding, very spacious with great soundstage. The bass is well defined and generous and reaches deep. Highs are crisp and clear, mids are clear and delicate. In comparison, the WA22 has a pretty similiar sound sig (i would call them clear-sounding), but the bass is slightly more punchy, and things are a bit more defined in a way - but not so that I necessarily prefer the WA22 way. They are a bit different, but often either presentation has its right.

Come to think of it - this must be a pretty good way of investigating the issue of how much power the HE-500 needs, I mean - using two amps that are designed by the same man to have a similar sound signature, but with internal design and different power outputs.


I totally agree with this quote ( quote is not mine!) ..but everyone has different ears..but never heard anyone saying a wa2 clipping with any phone..except maybe with a he6!

I by the way found out how much power a standard 337 has: 1 watt into 600ohm, dont have a clue how much he has into 25ohm.

But..we all hear different..so whats right for one..is wrong for another... wink.gif
You really can't compare the WA2 to WA22 in power especially at lower resistances. You were asking what a transformer does. Well it definitely affects how much power goes in at a certain resistance. The WA22 has output transformers whereas the WA2 does not. The WA2 is an OTL amp which is designed for high impedance headphones. If your 337/339 is a true OTL, I'm surprised it puts out enough power. Maybe unique design, but in general OTL amps aren't meant for low impedance. Woo Audio's website has the specs for each of their amps in their FAQs: http://www.wooaudio.com/faq/#24 . At 32 ohms it's 1500 mW for WA22 and 310 mW for WA2.
Edited by Sonido - 12/20/13 at 3:27pm
post #9944 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

You really can't compare the WA2 to WA22 in power especially at lower resistances. You were asking what a transformer does. Well it definitely affects how much power goes in at a certain resistance. The WA22 has output transformers whereas the WA2 does not. The WA2 is an OTL amp which is designed for high impedance headphones. If your 337/339 is a true OTL, I'm surprised it puts out enough power. Maybe unique design, but in general OTL amps aren't meant for low impedance. Woo Audio's website has the specs for each of their amps in their FAQs: http://www.wooaudio.com/faq/#24 . At 32 ohms it's 1500 mW for WA22 and 310 mW for WA2.
I didnt know about the low powerfigures for the wa2.. But the wa2 didnt sound off or weak to me or bad with the he500..
About the 337(i no longer have) ... Yes..its one of those few tube amps which can drive lower ohm hp's... Mine (modded) had HUGE caps and transformers...only a he6 was a bridge to far.. Thats why my new amp (will arrive 3rd week of febr. I hope)will pump out at least 5w into 50ohms.
post #9945 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


I didnt know about the low powerfigures for the wa2.. But the wa2 didnt sound off or weak to me or bad with the he500..
About the 337(i no longer have) ... Yes..its one of those few tube amps which can drive lower ohm hp's... Mine (modded) had HUGE caps and transformers...only a he6 was a bridge to far.. Thats why my new amp (will arrive 3rd week of febr. I hope)will pump out at least 5w into 50ohms.

Now, that's what I am talking about.  Who says it's not good to have extra power in reserve? :beerchug:

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