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post #9826 of 18011

For those who have made custom cables for Hifiman before, I'm going to make one soon and already compiled a list of the materials to buy but I saw one thing that bugged me. It says that the Hifiman connectors accept 22AWG or smaller conductors but I will use this cable:

http://www.audiophonics.fr/wmaudio-ac02-interconnect-cable-pairs-symetrical-occ-%C3%83%CB%9C78mm-p-4413.html

It has an area of 0.35mm^2 for each conductor which according to Wikipedia is between 22AWG and 21AWG. I was wondering if it will fit?

post #9827 of 18011
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It has an area of 0.35mm^2 for each conductor which according to Wikipedia is between 22AWG and 21AWG. I was wondering if it will fit?

 

I don't know about this, but what about the Mogami W2534? Mogami makes nice cables and the W2534 should fit.

 

http://www.audiophonics.fr/mogami-neglex-w2534-cable-micro-comportant-paires-Ø60mm-p-5241.html

 

post #9828 of 18011
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I don't know about this, but what about the Mogami W2534? Mogami makes nice cables and the W2534 should fit.

 

http://www.audiophonics.fr/mogami-neglex-w2534-cable-micro-comportant-paires-Ø60mm-p-5241.html

 

 

I'm also considering that one too but I'm thinking of an OCC cable and the one made by WM Audio is the only one they have that is of an appropriate gauge for headphone cables..

post #9829 of 18011
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I don't know about this, but what about the Mogami W2534? Mogami makes nice cables and the W2534 should fit.

 

http://www.audiophonics.fr/mogami-neglex-w2534-cable-micro-comportant-paires-Ø60mm-p-5241.html

 

 

I actually tried making a DIY Hifiman cable for my HE-500, using a 10 feet Mogami 3106 (24AWG, OFC) cable I already had for my previous HD650 that I'd sold. I just had to reterminate it.

 

I was convinced it would probably be better in some aspects than the stock silver plated copper cable, or at least different and not microphonic (not that it bothered me, really).

 

But even with that pretty decent 24AWG OFC Mogami wire, the cable turned out to sound way worse than the stock one... So I really wouldn't bother upgrading to anything below 22~26AWG OCC copper for the HE-500, since even decent OFC copper is a bit of a downgrade (not unpleasant, but too much smearing and treble detail loss compared to stock).

 

Just my 2 cents...

post #9830 of 18011

On cable size, the connector has a narrow tail on the cable end from when it was a coax connector it is this along with the small central pin limiting cable size.

In my own experiments I have found that it is possible to remove the tail completely allowing free access to the central pin, this combined with the use of some heat shrink over the central pin joint means very large gauge or even multiple cables can be employed.

I am personally  enjoying both SE and balanced cables I made with Moon Audio Black Dragon it is a 21.5 gauge 7n copper shielded design

post #9831 of 18011
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I actually tried making a DIY Hifiman cable for my HE-500, using a 10 feet Mogami 3106 (24AWG, OFC) cable I already had for my previous HD650 that I'd sold. I just had to reterminate it.

 

I was convinced it would probably be better in some aspects than the stock silver plated copper cable, or at least different and not microphonic (not that it bothered me, really).

 

But even with that pretty decent 24AWG OFC Mogami wire, the cable turned out to sound way worse than the stock one... So I really wouldn't bother upgrading to anything below 22~26AWG OCC copper for the HE-500, since even decent OFC copper is a bit of a downgrade (not unpleasant, but too much smearing and treble detail loss compared to stock).

 

Just my 2 cents...

Yep...I have said this before, OCC Copper is not a good match for the HE-500. Stick with the stock cable and throw some paracord or something over it.

post #9832 of 18011
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Yep...I have said this before, OCC Copper is not a good match for the HE-500. Stick with the stock cable and throw some paracord or something over it.

Just do like me and go for pure silver and perhaps with a touch of gold.. or maybe not ;)

post #9833 of 18011
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Yep...I have said this before, OCC Copper is not a good match for the HE-500. Stick with the stock cable and throw some paracord or something over it.


Haha... Actually, that's not quite what I said lol ;); I said OFC, even with a decent cable/wire type/brand, just doesn't add anything better than stock.

 

As far as OCC copper goes, I only just recently got a chance to try such a cable and found that it actually brought quite an improvement over the stock cable, moreso than I expected.

 

This being said, I can tell that I lost some of that "shimmering treble glory" going from the basic silver plated stock cable to an OCC copper cable... Everything else in the sound got better (soundstage, low level detail retrieval, immediacy, musicality...), but there's a sense of "attack" in the treble with the stock SPC cable that a basic OCC cable doesn't quite give.

 

So, yeah, I still wouldn't upgrade to anything below a decent OCC copper cable, and I'd probably aim for a silver plated one just to get that eversoslight treble "edge" back along with the rest. But I'd probably go straight for pure silver if I could afford lol :D .

post #9834 of 18011

I'm in the hunt of a nice aftermarket cable for my HE-500 with Schiit Lyr and Bifrost so please elaborate which cable I should pick. Copper, silver copper or silver. Do tell, do tell! :D

post #9835 of 18011
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Haha... Actually, that's not quite what I said lol ;); I said OFC, even with a decent cable/wire type/brand, just doesn't add anything better than stock.

 

As far as OCC copper goes, I only just recently got a chance to try such a cable and found that it actually brought quite an improvement over the stock cable, moreso than I expected.

 

This being said, I can tell that I lost some of that "shimmering treble glory" going from the basic silver plated stock cable to an OCC copper cable... Everything else in the sound got better (soundstage, low level detail retrieval, immediacy, musicality...), but there's a sense of "attack" in the treble with the stock SPC cable that a basic OCC cable doesn't quite give.

 

So, yeah, I still wouldn't upgrade to anything below a decent OCC copper cable, and I'd probably aim for a silver plated one just to get that eversoslight treble "edge" back along with the rest. But I'd probably go straight for pure silver if I could afford lol :D .

 

+1 for my plusSounds cable.  Not cheap, but having gotten my HE-500s used, I could justify the cable, as I would have bought them new.  I haven't compared the stock cable with the plusSounds since I got the latter, but if I'm "missing" the "shimmering treble glory".... I'm not really missing it.  Maybe I'll try to fit some TechFlex or some other multi-filament sleeve over the stock cable.  It would be nice to have non-microphonic options.  That's my level of DIY capabilities for a cable.

post #9836 of 18011
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I'm in the hunt of a nice aftermarket cable for my HE-500 with Schiit Lyr and Bifrost so please elaborate which cable I should pick. Copper, silver copper or silver. Do tell, do tell! :D

Well if you're going to do it, go for pure silver. However, the stock cable is pretty damn good the way it is, it just needs sleeving for reduced microphonics is all. While you're at it, lose the hifiman connector and hardwire it.

post #9837 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post
 

I'm in the hunt of a nice aftermarket cable for my HE-500 with Schiit Lyr and Bifrost so please elaborate which cable I should pick. Copper, silver copper or silver. Do tell, do tell! :D

 

Take this with a grain of salt, and your own research, but everything I've read about the Bifrost is that it's not exactly warm.  Is it clinical, accurate, cold?  Not sure I've read that, but some have said it can seem "bright."  IF all that's true, and if you're not looking for a bright sound, I'd get a nice OCC cable (you've already got a SCC cable with the stock).  I shopped around and liked the selection at plusSounds.  I have no affiliation with them, just the recommendation of a satisfied customer.

 

If my Lyr weren't in for repairs, I'd A/B the stock and plusSounds for you.

 

Good luck.

post #9838 of 18011
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Take this with a grain of salt, and your own research, but everything I've read about the Bifrost is that it's not exactly warm.  Is it clinical, accurate, cold?  Not sure I've read that, but some have said it can seem "bright."  IF all that's true, and if you're not looking for a bright sound, I'd get a nice OCC cable (you've already got a SCC cable with the stock).  I shopped around and liked the selection at plusSounds.  I have no affiliation with them, just the recommendation of a satisfied customer.

If my Lyr weren't in for repairs, I'd A/B the stock and plusSounds for you.

Good luck.
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Take this with a grain of salt, and your own research, but everything I've read about the Bifrost is that it's not exactly warm.  Is it clinical, accurate, cold?  Not sure I've read that, but some have said it can seem "bright."  IF all that's true, and if you're not looking for a bright sound, I'd get a nice OCC cable (you've already got a SCC cable with the stock).  I shopped around and liked the selection at plusSounds.  I have no affiliation with them, just the recommendation of a satisfied customer.

If my Lyr weren't in for repairs, I'd A/B the stock and plusSounds for you.

Good luck.
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Take this with a grain of salt, and your own research, but everything I've read about the Bifrost is that it's not exactly warm.  Is it clinical, accurate, cold?  Not sure I've read that, but some have said it can seem "bright."  IF all that's true, and if you're not looking for a bright sound, I'd get a nice OCC cable (you've already got a SCC cable with the stock).  I shopped around and liked the selection at plusSounds.  I have no affiliation with them, just the recommendation of a satisfied customer.
As i adviced textfeud also by pm go for a good occ copper cable in his case...i adviced him the cablef which i have my second
If my Lyr weren't in for repairs, I'd A/B the stock and plusSounds for you.

Good luck.
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Lolz..i adviced textfeud the same thing by pm today... Get a good OCC copper cable..and i suggested the cable i have (well its my second version already..lolz ) : a toxic cables black widow 22awg with black sleeves. (He wants black sleeving).. That cable is just perfect with a he500.. And very affordable! And just as thurstonx..i talk from own experience as satisfied customer.
Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/14/13 at 4:41pm
post #9839 of 18011
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<3x me! ;-) >

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Lolz..i adviced textfeud the same thing by pm today... Get a good OCC copper cable..and i suggested the cable i have (well its my second version already..lolz ) : a toxic cables black widow 22awg with black sleeves. (He wants black sleeving).. That cable is just perfect with a he500.. And very affordable! And just as thurstonx..i talk from own experience as satisfied customer.

 

I have black sleeving with the Echo line, but plusSounds gives you color options.  Sheesh, with all this unpaid love, maybe I'll get a discount!  j/k  :D  I can say the cable is ultra light-weight and totally non-microphonic, as you'd expect.

 

But, to each his own, eh?

post #9840 of 18011
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I have black sleeving with the Echo line, but plusSounds gives you color options.  Sheesh, with all this unpaid love, maybe I'll get a discount!  j/k  biggrin.gif   I can say the cable is ultra light-weight and totally non-microphonic, as you'd expect.

But, to each his own, eh?
Sorry..but almost all premium brands offer color options in nylon or silk sleeving..and all are light and if they are really well constructed also non-microphic..if i have to pay for a cable over 150usd i demand nothing less.. If notthen they are not premium in my eyes..but as some know..i am very demanding.. And i hope u wont get that discount..as that would look like ur biassed because of that biggrin.gif

And i think my ipad loves u..as it copied ur post three times in my post..lolz
Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/14/13 at 5:04pm
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