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Edited by Andolink - 12/11/13 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by Makaan View Post
 

I recently purchased HE500 and I'm using it with Sony STR DN840 AVR via special cable that I build. But it is temporary and I'm looking for amp with 500 USD budget. 

I've also Arcam irDAC so DAC is not mention I've already and I'm very happy with it.

I'm reading post all 2 days and I couldn't  decide

My options are : 

 - Schiit Lyr : Good reviews, very powerful, also it looks sexy. I'm really like it's visuality.

 - Hifiman EF5 : Some comments are very good but some of them is suffuring with it's power not ebnough to juice well to HE500. I read it that 1 W at 32 ohms so theoricaly it is not powerful enough to drive well to HE500. It needs at least 1W at 38 ohms. Separate power supply is very good idea so probably hum is not the case for EF5. I'm afraid to hear hum from Lyr. By the way it is not good looking enough as Lyr.

 - Burson HA 160 : I think it is not good match with HE500 but it is already in my list.

 

I wish I can buy directly Violectric V200 but it is out of my budget. Maybe next time ha.

 

Any suggestion or opinion will be appreciated.

 

Since you already have a good DAC, you might want to consider the Audio-gd NFB-6.  It's very neutral and dead quiet and sounds great with my HE-500 in balanced mode delivering  5.92 watts.  It's was $435 US shipped to the USA and that was back when they charged an extra $50 for the remote which is free now.  http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFB6/NFB6EN.htm
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post

Plus I find it a great way into the world of speakers. As for adapters, there's an easy way through some Hosa cables for about $20 on Amazon if you don't want to solder.
But even then u get ANOTHER (cheapish, mediocre quality) cable with connectors that interfere with the soundquality! As i am told:..the lesser components in the string of a rig...the lesser the interference and in so less risk in contaminating the soundquality..
And soldering cables...no way i would do that..i would probably solder my eyelids to my fingers..lolz.. I even didnt try to make jerg pads..i let my man MODULOR do it for me..and he made one hell of a job! I am still impressed of the workmanship he showed on my pads... Well done!!!

Seriously For the money i am paying for my new amp. (Around 5000usd ish) i could buy a VERY VERY VERY good speaker amp... But i decided to get myself a higher end dedicated headphone amp...made to make my code-x (or he6) shine on its very best... Its specifically designed and handbuilt for the he6 ( as i wanted to buy a he6.. But as u guys know..i decided to get a easier to drive (better sounding ) code-x instead

And on top of that I dont care for speakers at this moment..next year in december (when i have moved to a new house ) i will once again knock on BC's door to make me a speaker amp to drive martin logan source electrostats (or higher end second hand) for a dedicated listening room....but thats next year...
Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/11/13 at 3:44pm
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But even then u get ANOTHER (cheapish, mediocre quality) cable with connectors that interfere with the soundquality! As i am told:..the lesser components in the string of a rig...the lesser the interference and in so less risk in contaminating the soundquality..
And soldering cables...no way i would do that..i would probably solder my eyelids to my fingers..lolz.. I even didnt try to make jerg pads..i let my man MODULOR do it for me..and he made one hell of a job! I am still impressed of the workmanship he showed on my pads... Well done!!!

Seriously For the money i am paying for my new amp. (Around 5000usd ish) i could buy a VERY VERY VERY good speaker amp... But i decided to get myself a higher end dedicated headphone amp...made to make my code-x (or he6) shine on its very best... Its specifically designed and handbuilt for the he6 ( as i wanted to buy a he6.. But as u guys know..i decided to get a easier to drive (better sounding ) code-x instead

And on top of that I dont care for speakers at this moment..next year in december (when i have moved to a new house ) i will once again knock on BC's door to make me a speaker amp to drive martin logan source electrostats (or higher end second hand) for a dedicated listening room....but thats next year...


Damn, it's good to be you next year.  Personally, I would not spend $5k on amp for some HPs cuz my ears are not that well trained but then we are all crazy in our own ways, right? :D 


Edited by koiloco - 12/11/13 at 3:50pm
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but then we are all crazy in our own ways, right? biggrin.gif
Thats so true my dear friend...but i do work hard for my stuff..never ever got a break from anyone! All the money i owned i worked for it..every last penny of it...no rich pappa's or passed away relatiives with money or lotery winnings for me..and no rich wife ( that was a big miss by the way..i should have known better..lolz)...on top of that i have a growing up very fashionable (as in brand crazy) little girl of 11.. Just like mums she likes the good stuff in clothing (and accessories)...and i have to keep them happy..or else they will find out what i really spend on my cars,pc equipment and audio stuff during the years..oopsie.

how Is the wa22 doing with the new premium tubes u got?
Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/11/13 at 3:57pm
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But even then u get ANOTHER (cheapish, mediocre quality) cable with connectors that interfere with the soundquality! As i am told:..the lesser components in the string of a rig...the lesser the interference and in so less risk in contaminating the soundquality..
And soldering cables...no way i would do that..i would probably solder my eyelids to my fingers..lolz.. I even didnt try to make jerg pads..i let my man MODULOR do it for me..and he made one hell of a job! I am still impressed of the workmanship he showed on my pads... Well done!!!

Seriously For the money i am paying for my new amp. (Around 5000usd ish) i could buy a VERY VERY VERY good speaker amp... But i decided to get myself a higher end dedicated headphone amp...made to make my code-x (or he6) shine on its very best... Its specifically designed and handbuilt for the he6 ( as i wanted to buy a he6.. But as u guys know..i decided to get a easier to drive (better sounding ) code-x instead

And on top of that I dont care for speakers at this moment..next year in december (when i have moved to a new house ) i will once again knock on BC's door to make me a speaker amp to drive martin logan source electrostats (or higher end second hand) for a dedicated listening room....but thats next year...

Next year you'll sell that $5000 headphone amp and all your other headphone gear to help fund some $20k speakers when you realize headphones just can't hold a candle to high end speakers. We'll miss you. tongue.gif
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Next year you'll sell that $5000 headphone amp and all your other headphone gear to help fund some $20k speakers when you realize headphones just can't hold a candle to high end speakers. We'll miss you. tongue.gif

Heh, touché. My HD-800s have been especially lonely too, but that will change with "The Wire" boards arriving soon :evil:

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Next year you'll sell that $5000 headphone amp and all your other headphone gear to help fund some $20k speakers when you realize headphones just can't hold a candle to high end speakers. We'll miss you. tongue.gif
Nope...as i use this rig in my study where i sometimes work when i work from home...the speaker rig will be in different room (new house will have 1 room extra..lolz ) wink.gif
Where i live now i cant have a big speaker rig in the living room as my wife finds big speakers unesthetic looking (her words..i dont even know what that means..lolz)..she prefers those bulb mini speakers of bose..oh the horror!! redface.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 12/11/13 at 4:56pm
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Thats so true my dear friend...but i do work hard for my stuff..never ever got a break from anyone! All the money i owned i worked for it..every last penny of it...no rich pappa's or passed away relatiives with money or lotery winnings for me..and no rich wife ( that was a big miss by the way..i should have known better..lolz)...on top of that i have a growing up very fashionable (as in brand crazy) little girl of 11.. Just like mums she likes the good stuff in clothing (and accessories)...and i have to keep them happy..or else they will find out what i really spend on my cars,pc equipment and audio stuff during the years..oopsie.

how Is the wa22 doing with the new premium tubes u got?

I managed to grab a pair of TS 5998 off ebay and they are awesome.  For my taste/preference, the Ken rad VT231s black glass for drivers work great in this combo.  Rectifier is still Sophia princess.

I am watching out for  a WE 422a but the price has gone kind of insane so I don't think I will shell out $400+ for it.

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I just got my home theatre room done and that came to a screeching halt with the birth of our children (they like sleep...darn kids).

 

I fire up the MA7000 every time I am alone in the house (which isn't often) and it makes me smile from ear to ear, there is nothing like good speaker positioning to get the blood pumping.

 

I tried soundproofing the room and that did not even come close to working so headphones it is ....for now!

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@Sonido In regards to an earlier inquiry about how much power the resistors are letting through. That resistor network link i posted gives it in terms of attenuation (dB), so you can calculate from there, using these formulae.


Edited by brunk - 12/11/13 at 5:19pm
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@Sonido In regards to an earlier inquiry about how much power the resistors are letting through. That resistor network link i posted gives it in terms of attenuation (dB), so you can calculate from there, using these formulae.


Ok so according to that calculator earlier, it calculated out about -12 dB attenuation with the HE-Adapter. That's about half the perceived volume, so does that mean it gives me about twice the control on the volume knob? Or does it essentially cut the hiss volume in half at any given volume level?

 

I asked a friend today who's a EE major, and there's no way to really calculate the power the HE-500 is getting since we don't know how much power is put out on a 33 ohm load from the MiniX. It's obviously not linear otherwise the power at 4 ohms would have to be 100W (or only 40W at 8 ohms), but they have listed 50W @ 8 ohms and 80W @ 4 ohms. For that matter, none of us really knows how much power the HE-500 would get plugged directly through the speaker taps since there's no power metric for the MiniX at 38 ohms, unless someone used a tool to measure it.

 

We can only use our ears to judge difference in sound between amps of various power. I ordered parts to hook the HE-500 directly to the MiniX, so I'll be able to compare. The only thing I'm worried about is that without the HE-Adapter there would be noise problems, especially when pairing with the Quickie. The Quickie already lowers the volume of when I begin to really hear the hiss from 12 o'clock to 10 o'clock with the HE-Adapter, and I listen with the MiniX at 9 o'clock. If not using the HE-Adapter causes too much noise issues to get any enjoyment with the Quickie pairing, then I apologize in advance touting up the Quickie pairing. That's another reason I'm gonna try to run it direct to the amp. It would be a real shame to require the HE-Adapter to use with the Quickie, and really takes away on some of the value, especially if you consider the $100 HE-Adapter and a 4-pin XLR cable for the HE-500. Still, what I'm hearing with the Quickie+Emotiva and HE-Adapter sounds amazing, and I never feel I'm lacking power. I know what that sounded like coming from other amps. Weak bass impact and poor tactility. Thin sounding at time too.

 

Also I've read that orthos need current, where dynamics need voltage. Power is voltage times current, so if you have low voltage, but high current, you may be okay getting by on low wattage?

 

For those connecting your HE-500 directly to the MiniX, how far can you turn up the volume with before you hear a hiss?

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By the way I got the HE-Adapter cuz I was using the HE-500 with a tube speaker amp at first before I switched over to Emotiva, so it needed the resistances to prevent damaging the amp. ;)


Edited by Sonido - 12/11/13 at 9:20pm
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@Sonido Stick with your findings for now, and just tack on some resistors across the binding posts. You're obviously finding an issue with noise, and the only real way to eliminate the issue is to get a new amp, or possibly have it serviced.

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Have any of guys heard the Fosgate Signature Tube Headphone Amplifier? I'm supposed to be getting one after CES, just want to know if anyone in here has heard it or not...

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