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Originally Posted by Alexnova View Post
 

Ok can you run through the differences please? Maybe you already posted somewhere reviewing them, if so can you link me?

 

Because if what you describe of the Theorem is what I am looking for, I'll gladly drop money for it. What type of music do you listen to?

 

Hmm, I'll be honest, It's been so long since I've heard the Lyr. It was powerful, dynamic, punchy, and syrupy. Not super good when it comes to detail extraction, and more natural sounding. 

 

The Theorem is the portable king of detail extraction (it rivals $2K DAC's when it comes to detail extraction), has amazing coherency across the entire spectrum, and is extremely neutral. 

 

I listen to a lot of scores (James Newton Howard, John Powell), classical music, Jazz, and a bit of drum & bass.


Edited by Austin Morrow - 11/29/13 at 10:11pm
post #9602 of 15274
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

Hmm, I'll be honest, It's been so long since I've heard the Lyr. It was powerful, dynamic, punchy, and syrupy. Not super good when it comes to detail extraction, and more natural sounding. 

 

The Theorem is the portable king of detail extraction (it rivals $2K DAC's when it comes to detail extraction), has amazing coherency across the entire spectrum, and is extremely neutral. 

 

I listen to a lot of scores (James Newton Howard, John Powell), classical music, Jazz, and a bit of drum & bass.


What would you say it has over clinical precision ES9018 or warm Wolfsons ? I see it has an AKM4396 DAC which I've not seen before...is it somewhere between the 2 styles ?

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Originally Posted by MunkyNutz View Post


What would you say it has over clinical precision ES9018 or warm Wolfsons ? I see it has an AKM4396 DAC which I've not seen before...is it somewhere between the 2 styles ?

Definitely more reminiscent of the ES9018 DAC chip. There are a lot of similarities.
post #9604 of 15274
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

Hmm, I'll be honest, It's been so long since I've heard the Lyr. It was powerful, dynamic, punchy, and syrupy. Not super good when it comes to detail extraction, and more natural sounding. 

 

The Theorem is the portable king of detail extraction (it rivals $2K DAC's when it comes to detail extraction), has amazing coherency across the entire spectrum, and is extremely neutral. 

 

I listen to a lot of scores (James Newton Howard, John Powell), classical music, Jazz, and a bit of drum & bass.

Ah I see, then its not for me. I appreciate this though.

post #9605 of 15274
Thanks for the Bourne soundtrack recommendation. Amazing stuff!
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post

Hmm, I'll be honest, It's been so long since I've heard the Lyr. It was powerful, dynamic, punchy, and syrupy. Not super good when it comes to detail extraction, and more natural sounding. 

The Theorem is the portable king of detail extraction (it rivals $2K DAC's when it comes to detail extraction), has amazing coherency across the entire spectrum, and is extremely neutral. 

I listen to a lot of scores (James Newton Howard, John Powell), classical music, Jazz, and a bit of drum & bass.
post #9606 of 15274
About that cable.. Cotton sleeved would be pretty cool biggrin.gif
post #9607 of 15274

Have had my 500's for a few days now. Put some hours on them on my Matrix M stage. Couple of things. 

 

I absolutely love these things. Glad I spent the money to step up from the 400's. these seem more detailed and less dark. The Matrix is just about on par for powering these bad boys. I managed to snag an Asgard 2 from ebay for a good deal, and I cant wait to try them on that. The Schiit amps really pack a punch for headphone amps. 

post #9608 of 15274
I had double helix but a nylon cover and cut the stock cable to 6 ft really helps
post #9609 of 15274
Pretty sure I've reached aural nirvana with my iPhone 5 connected to the Cypher Labs Theorem 720, through the Charleston Cable Company "Audiophile" headphone cable, then to my HE-500's, listening to the song "The Countdown" from the Hunger Games soundtrack...
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I decided to wait until I'd read all the way through this thread before weighing in... not an insignificant undertaking I can assure you - but lots of interesting information and insights. I've had the HE500s for a couple of months now, although I had to send them in for repair (I dropped them), so haven't actually had the opportunity to put too many hours on them yet - but certainly enough to form an opinion, which I thought I'd share.

 

I'm an expat currently living in Shanghai, so I picked up some 500's as well as an amp/dac combo from a specialist Headphone shop buried away in the back of beyond. Initially I didn't like them at all. I found the trebles to be extremely harsh, just downright unpleasant to listen to, but I started to burn them in and left them going for a few days more or less non-stop, just checking on them periodically. I am now, without question, a believer in burn-in. The difference is night and day, and they've lost that harsh treble altogether.

 

However, unlike some, I've found them to be unforgiving of anything under 320kbps which, unfortunately, about half of my library is (itunes legacy). But my ALACs and most of the 320k stuff sounds phenomenal. In particular, jazz (Charles Mingus, Mingus Ah Um), Joni Mitchell (Blue), anything electronic (Daft Punk, RAM) and so on - sounds wonderful. I find myself completely addicted and cannot stop listening - sometimes I sit down to listen to a couple of tracks, but end up sitting there for hours...

 

What's not so good? Mainly classical. Maybe I need to seek out better recordings, but I'm finding that my set-up struggles a bit with the complex passages in classical music and it all becomes a little muddy and somewhat veiled. There's a distinct barrier between me and the music. Not sure if it's the phones or my amp...

 

But all in all, I think that I have been incredibly fortunate to pick these up, they're an absolute joy. I'm a very happy member of the club!

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Originally Posted by warth0g View Post

I decided to wait until I'd read all the way through this thread before weighing in... not an insignificant undertaking I can assure you - but lots of interesting information and insights. I've had the HE500s for a couple of months now, although I had to send them in for repair (I dropped them), so haven't actually had the opportunity to put too many hours on them yet - but certainly enough to form an opinion, which I thought I'd share.

I'm an expat currently living in Shanghai, so I picked up some 500's as well as an amp/dac combo from a specialist Headphone shop buried away in the back of beyond. Initially I didn't like them at all. I found the trebles to be extremely harsh, just downright unpleasant to listen to, but I started to burn them in and left them going for a few days more or less non-stop, just checking on them periodically. I am now, without question, a believer in burn-in. The difference is night and day, and they've lost that harsh treble altogether.

However, unlike some, I've found them to be unforgiving of anything under 320kbps which, unfortunately, about half of my library is (itunes legacy). But my ALACs and most of the 320k stuff sounds phenomenal. In particular, jazz (Charles Mingus, Mingus Ah Um), Joni Mitchell (Blue), anything electronic (Daft Punk, RAM) and so on - sounds wonderful. I find myself completely addicted and cannot stop listening - sometimes I sit down to listen to a couple of tracks, but end up sitting there for hours...

What's not so good? Mainly classical. Maybe I need to seek out better recordings, but I'm finding that my set-up struggles a bit with the complex passages in classical music and it all becomes a little muddy and somewhat veiled. There's a distinct barrier between me and the music. Not sure if it's the phones or my amp...

But all in all, I think that I have been incredibly fortunate to pick these up, they're an absolute joy. I'm a very happy member of the club!

Your hours mirror my thought completely, except for that last part. Get a warm DAC with a massive soundstage like the Yulong DA8 and you will fall in love with classical music!
post #9612 of 15274
*cough* Stax *cough* *cough*
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post


Your hours mirror my thought completely, except for that last part. Get a warm DAC with a massive soundstage like the Yulong DA8 and you will fall in love with classical music!

 

Good to hear that my ears aren't completely off then (yet) :-) To be honest, I'm trying to resist the upgrade urge, as I am basically very happy with my set-up, I just wish it could do classical better. The DA8 looks interesting though (in China, it seems to be about $1100) and if it would make it huge difference, then I might be tempted although not for a while. It looks like it's a DAC and amp combined - is the AMP OK, or would it need to be separately amped do you think?

 

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*cough* Stax *cough* *cough*

 

If that's directed at me - good idea, as long as someone can lend me the money ;-)

post #9614 of 15274
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Originally Posted by warth0g View Post

Good to hear that my ears aren't completely off then (yet) :-) To be honest, I'm trying to resist the upgrade urge, as I am basically very happy with my set-up, I just wish it could do classical better. The DA8 looks interesting though (in China, it seems to be about $1100) and if it would make it huge difference, then I might be tempted although not for a while. It looks like it's a DAC and amp combined - is the AMP OK, or would it need to be separately amped do you think?


If that's directed at me - good idea, as long as someone can lend me the money ;-)

The Yulong DA8 could be priced at $2500 and could still compete with end-game DAC's. The built in headphone amp is really, really, good. The DAC section is simply phenomenal. Get the DA8, and then add the A18 later on. smily_headphones1.gif
post #9615 of 15274

@Austin Morrow .. I've got that very same C3 "audiophile" cable for my HE-500, too.  It's an excellent cable from a build and ergonomic standpoint.  I came away quite surprised by the impact it had on the HE-500's sound (vs the stock cable).. the C3 "audiophile" cable had the HE-500 sounding noticeably more open, dynamic, and clear.  The stock cable made the HE-500 sound compressed and "laid back," in comparison.

 

I agree with of you & @warth0g about the HE-500's sound improving as it 'breaks in.'  I've actually owned the HE-500 twice and experienced improved sound after a 'break in period' on both pairs.  I remember the HE-500 sounding harsh, smeared, and the bass lacking extension and punch, ootb.. after a certain amount of use, it (for lack of a better word) 'blossomed.'

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