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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

Lol, u r really loving he500. Wait till u hear it off a speaker amp. I often refer to the sound of he500/speaker amp as "band practice" smily_headphones1.gif
I looked at the mini-x I'm shocked it's only $169? I saw the specs up to 8ohm how does it translate to the 38ohm 500's? Do you tap all four speaker outs? I saw an adapter with a 1/4 female to 4 banana clips is that the connection type?
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Ok so people constantly ask me "Is this amp better and/or this DAC going to give me a sonic improvement"

 

Nothing is going to give you a sonic improvement over picking your favorite headphone over the bunch honestly. Yeah we can go from the extremes like from an ipod to a Bifrost, but thats obvious. As long as you build good sound from the baseline with something cheap and humble like an HRT MSII and stack that with a Schiit Asgard II or AGD dac/amp, you're gonna be just fine.

 

The AGD is good but I actually think the ugprade to some of the heavy hitter balanced rigs is the next step. If you have to stop to think "hey it's a little expensive for what I'm trying to do", it really is. Just find the headphone you like, make a couple "upgrades" to it if applicable and just match it with a solid performing amp. I just have really really bad upgradeitis and the stuff I buy is worth money in case I decide I don't want it later, so whats the harm right?

 

Someone with an HD800 and E17 is probably gonna hear the same thing as me with my HD800's just without as much sharpness, headroom and refinement. There is nothing you can plug a headphone into that will make it sound different unless it's just flat outsuper colored and gross haha.

 

The reason we get things like TEAC and Schiit on a practical side is just that it's really that these are really feature-laden products. Near the halfway point of a good deal of single-ended amps you can hear the noise kick in and your signature will sound a little more thin, when I upgraded to Mjolnir, not only did I have a huge amount of headroom, but I actually legitimately felt and hear the power :)

 

That being said, a lot of these guys doing orthos from speaker amps with the adapter are like doing it right  They're doing it totally right in the sense that they're respecting how much current these cans forreal love and most of these speaker amps are pretty cheap to boot too and have plenty of analog inputs!


Edited by Chris_Himself - 11/25/13 at 7:04am
post #9483 of 18086
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Originally Posted by Chris_Himself View Post

Ok so people constantly ask me "Is this amp better and/or this DAC going to give me a sonic improvement"

Nothing is going to give you a sonic improvement over picking your favorite headphone over the bunch honestly. Yeah we can go from the extremes like from an ipod to a Bifrost, but thats obvious. As long as you build good sound from the baseline with something cheap and humble like an HRT MSII and stack that with a Schiit Asgard II or AGD dac/amp, you're gonna be just fine.

The AGD is good but I actually think the ugprade to some of the heavy hitter balanced rigs is the next step. If you have to stop to think "hey it's a little expensive for what I'm trying to do", it really is. Just find the headphone you like, make a couple "upgrades" to it if applicable and just match it with a solid performing amp. I just have really really bad upgradeitis and the stuff I buy is worth money in case I decide I don't want it later, so whats the harm right?

Someone with an HD800 and E17 is probably gonna hear the same thing as me with my HD800's just without as much sharpness, headroom and refinement. There is nothing you can plug a headphone into that will make it sound different unless it's just flat outsuper colored and gross haha.

The reason we get things like TEAC and Schiit on a practical side is just that it's really that these are really future-laden products. Near the halfway point of a good deal of single-ended amps you can hear the noise kick in and your signature will sound a little more thin, when I upgraded to Mjolnir, not only did I have a huge amount of headroom, but I actually legitimately felt and hear the power smily_headphones1.gif

That being said, a lot of these guys doing orthos from speaker amps with the adapter are like doing it right  They're doing it totally right in the sense that they're respecting how much current these cans forreal love and most of these speaker amps are pretty cheap to boot too and have plenty of analog inputs!

Let me be one of the first to thank you for your post. I felt exactly the same when I got my Mjolnir and started using the orthos. I have resisted thus far to consider any side grades or upgrades since I feel the amp is all I need for my Audez'e and Hifiman HPs.
I have also taken to heart the recommendations of Matt, Preproman and others to get the Emotiva and am delighted that you concur.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

Let me be one of the first to thank you for your post. I felt exactly the same when I got my Mjolnir and started using the orthos. I have resisted thus far to consider any side grades or upgrades since I feel the amp is all I need for my Audez'e and Hifiman HPs.
I have also taken to heart the recommendations of Matt, Preproman and others to get the Emotiva and am delighted that you concur.
Cheers
How many watts is the Emotiva mini pushing into let's say the HE-500's?

Update: I did a calculation and I think it's about 10 watts into 38 ohm. That's a heck of a lot of power for 1 watt recommended phones. I smell smoke!!! 😱
Edited by SwanSong - 11/25/13 at 4:02am
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post
 
How many watts is the Emotiva mini pushing into let's say the HE-500's?

Update: I did a calculation and I think it's about 10 watts into 38 ohm. That's a heck of a lot of power for 1 watt recommended phones. I smell smoke!!! 😱

Yeah, it's around that. The impedance does apparently vary from HE-500 to HE-500, but somewhere around 10-12 watts. 

post #9486 of 18086
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post


How many watts is the Emotiva mini pushing into let's say the HE-500's?

Update: I did a calculation and I think it's about 10 watts into 38 ohm. That's a heck of a lot of power for 1 watt recommended phones. I smell smoke!!! 😱

http://www.head-fi.org/t/629352/he-500-lcd2-d5000-dt770-sr80-on-a-speaker-amp-emotiva-mini-x-a-100-project

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

I have to respectfully disagree.  While magni can't be compared to speaker amps like Mini-X and Lepai in term of power, saying that it distorts quickly is to me and my experience with the magni is not correct.  So unless, you are running HE500 so loud like speakers and push the amp way beyond normal listening level, what you said portrait a very untrue statement regarding a great very affordable little amp.

To each his own. The Magni colors the sound in a bright manner, which i did not find appealing. I am also more sensitive to bright treble than most, so it affects my experience.

 

Compared to the Lepai and Mini-X at normal yet slightly loud volume levels (11'o clock), the distortion is noticeable in comparison. Not a lot, but it is there.

post #9488 of 18086
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post

How many watts is the Emotiva mini pushing into let's say the HE-500's?

Update: I did a calculation and I think it's about 10 watts into 38 ohm. That's a heck of a lot of power for 1 watt recommended phones. I smell smoke!!! 😱
The key is volume control. I have my HE500 paired with Musical Fidelity speaker amp that's rated 2X130 watt at 8 ohm. I always turn the volume on my Audiolab Mdac down and slowly increase slowly up to -40db. They sounds wonderful to my ears. So affraid not about the power rating just be wise with the volume knob on your DAC or pre amp.
post #9489 of 18086
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post


How many watts is the Emotiva mini pushing into let's say the HE-500's?

Update: I did a calculation and I think it's about 10 watts into 38 ohm. That's a heck of a lot of power for 1 watt recommended phones. I smell smoke!!! 😱

 

You have to remember that a speaker amp is not pushing full power at all times at normal listening volume. For example, an AV Receiver pushing 95W per channel, rarely pushes more than 1W at normal listening levels with a speaker (or driver) that does 90db @ 1W. It is the extra headroom from the extra power that allows the cleaner presentation over most headphone amps, which are pushing max at that same 1W level.
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Am considering an used emotiva upa-200 to go with my x-can v8. Question is whether it is too powerful and noisy.
post #9491 of 18086
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

^ I've listened to the bifrost more than a few times behind different level amps.  I always leave with the same impression : uncolor, pretty neutral but not "smooth" and quite "cold" (many people actually prefer this).  I know those 2 terms are kind of ambiguous and more of an emotional indication than technicality but for me, those characteristics are important.  I haven't listened to your DAC so I can't comment whether it will be a sure upgrade.  After my DAC purchase, then followed the amp purchase, I can confirm that amp will make a more obvious difference.  

Do you find anything missing in your DAC's SQ now? or just wonderin about upgrades?  Is there any chance to go to a meet?  If yes, go.  It will save you a lot of $/time and also put equipment/$ into very clear perspective.  Any local friends/head-fiers who is willing to meet up / swap gears?

 

Btw, I just saw that you already have the Lyr.  Bifrost/Lyr will be a nice looking combo.  Also, the Lyr will warm up the sound from the bifrost a tiny bit (not a lot, cuz Lyr is a hybrid).  On the other side, honestly, at $450 with USB, it starts getting a little high in price.  It's a tough choice here. Personally, I will save a little more and go for a somewhat end game DAC.  If not, skip it for now.  That's what I did.

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

It is a lot to spend, and I am pretty happy with the HiFimeDIY.  Still on the fence.  We shall see.

 

Just recalled Schiit's return policy.  So I could "rent" one, test it, and return it, if it doesn't seem like an upgrade or good value for the $$$.


Edited by ThurstonX - 11/25/13 at 8:26am
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Thanks guys for the speaker tap education! I get it now, back in my analog/tower days I always had a x2 minimum channel power to speaker max rating for low level detail.

If I get the mini-x I can go tube out from DAC > mini-x and have best of both worlds!
Thanks
Edited by SwanSong - 11/25/13 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post

Thanks guys for the speaker tap education! I get it now, back in my analog/tower days I always had a x2 minimum channel power to speaker max rating for low level detail.

If I get the mini-x I can go tube out from DAC > mini-x and have best of both worlds!
Thanks

That should sound fantastic. I use the out on my tube amp to the mini-X and it sounds great.

post #9494 of 18086
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

That should sound fantastic. I use the out on my tube amp to the mini-X and it sounds great.

Hey guys where can I get a female 1/4 plug to speaker tap adapter with SPC cable similar to 500 stock cable?
Edited by SwanSong - 11/25/13 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

That should sound fantastic. I use the out on my tube amp to the mini-X and it sounds great.

Hey guys where can I get a female 1/4 plug to speaker tap adapter with SPC cable similar to 500 stock cable?

Nopes.. Unless you make it yourself.

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