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Originally Posted by daerron View Post

That is a long post without answering my question, but I appreciate your long and thoughtful response... My sincere apologies as well if I my comment offended you, it was very much meant as tongue in the cheek. I am sure you give you are giving the guys building your stuff a torrid time.

The reason why I asked you the question is, because I had a toxic cable on order, but cancelled my order after waiting more than 5 months for mine and I thought that for the money that the sonic upgrade wouldn't be worthwhile. So your comment had me quite intrigued, but I wanted to know what a substantial improvement meant in your opinion in a way that I could understand it, to figure out whether I made a mistake or not?

You are welcome to give me tap on the Emotiva. My philosophy is always to buy gear with a high value for money factor. I am sure there are much better amps out there than the Emotiva, but for me it is a point of drawing a line in the sand on what is good enough and sticking to it and I also have far from perfect hearing. To get that extra 5% improvement adds a substantial amount of money into the equation. I have a lot of other interests beside Head-fi and have to divide my resources carefully between all those so each to his own. Being an electronics engineer of course means I view a lot of claims and statements with a healthy dose of scepticism.
I think i remember u saying that u cancelled ur order.. I didnt answer ur question because u can find ur answer a million times on the toxic thread and on the various reviews out in the open from owners of various toxic cables... And i didnt want to tap u on ur chosing for ur emotiva..its a very good amp for the money..i was just trying to make a point that if u really wanna get the most of ur expensive cables that u also have to invest in the rest of ur rig..

okay i admit..what i am doing now is a bit off buying an amp for which u can buy a good second hand car..but still.. I am sure even that amp wont show every improvement of my new cable over the standard cable of hifiman..
And i know: The higher u go..the lesser the performance per dollar is... Thats a hard fact... And as i said before..i also started out with a humble (and in my opiniOn) still excellent amp for the money, the matrix mstage.. So i know about budgetting and the balancing act of ur money..lolz
So no hard feelings..but honestly..try to go to a audio meeting...and am sure some people there will have toxic cables..so u can have a listen urself.
For my particular cable (as u know its a one off balanced dual cabled 8wire black widow) it improved soundstage, bass, the voices got more natural..less metally, treble didnt improve much..maybe less sibilance..biggest difference was that it sounded like my amp got a few watts extra all of sudden..sound got more powerful... As i said..with MY cable..am sure it will be differnt with a silver widow, poison or any other cable they sell tongue.gif
I know where u coming from as an electrical engineer..i am an IT/facility procurement specialist myself..so i work daily with specialist like u (and some of my dearest friends are actually electrical engineers) so i understand what ur saying..i have FRIENDLY discussions with them all the time..as i have with u now wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/15/13 at 2:56am
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

It's going to be all right...........just breathe and relax......blink.gif
I know..but because i now dont have my he500 jergulors anymore to relax and have to wait for my code-x'es, i am extra grumby.. biggrin.gif
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Thanks Jerg for replying that it's a SPC cable. I'll have to check out some pure Ag, though I think the stock cable is dialed in pretty well. Except for the darn microphonics :mad:

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Has anyone here tried using this DSP with the HE-500: http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/

 

I don't know much about crossfeed, but it does seem to help with fatigue.  Curious if anyone here uses this or any similar DSP.     

post #9290 of 18029
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Originally Posted by kard16 View Post
 

Has anyone here tried using this DSP with the HE-500: http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/

 

I don't know much about crossfeed, but it does seem to help with fatigue.  Curious if anyone here uses this or any similar DSP.     

Can't say I've tried that one, but if you're getting fatigued from the HE-500 I would have to say that your upstream gear would be suspect. There are several fatiguing headphones and I don't personally think the HE-500 fits that category IMO.

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Originally Posted by kard16 View Post
 

Has anyone here tried using this DSP with the HE-500: http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/

 

I don't know much about crossfeed, but it does seem to help with fatigue.  Curious if anyone here uses this or any similar DSP.     

It does something with soundstage remodeling, but it kills too much micro-details in music. Great if you want absolutely relaxing listening, but terrible for more attentive listening sessions.

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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Can't say I've tried that one, but if you're getting fatigued from the HE-500 I would have to say that your upstream gear would be suspect. There are several fatiguing headphones and I don't personally think the HE-500 fits that category IMO.

It's not too bad, but I'd say 90 minutes or more and it definitely starts getting tiring.  But, just for kicks, I tried it and I'm going on 3 hours without any complaints.  Might be a placebo effect, who knows.  Also, I'm powering it with a Lyr, so I don't think that's the issue.  

post #9293 of 18029
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Originally Posted by kard16 View Post

Has anyone here tried using this DSP with the HE-500: http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/

I don't know much about crossfeed, but it does seem to help with fatigue.  Curious if anyone here uses this or any similar DSP.     
Interesting, can you control the amount of cross feed? There are some recordings that pan instruments hard left or right and it just doesn't sound great in headphones. I can understand getting fatigued when you have all your cymbals in only one ear, for example.
post #9294 of 18029
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Originally Posted by kard16 View Post
 

It's not too bad, but I'd say 90 minutes or more and it definitely starts getting tiring.  But, just for kicks, I tried it and I'm going on 3 hours without any complaints.  Might be a placebo effect, who knows.  Also, I'm powering it with a Lyr, so I don't think that's the issue.  

Fatigue around 90 minutes sounds perfectly normal no matter the headphone. Just for kicks, try unscrewing the connectors at the cups and clean with some De-Oxit or rubbing alcohol and screw them back on firmly and see if you notice a difference :)

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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post


Interesting, can you control the amount of cross feed? There are some recordings that pan instruments hard left or right and it just doesn't sound great in headphones. I can understand getting fatigued when you have all your cymbals in only one ear, for example.

Yeah, you can control the amplitude and cut off frequency.  For certain bands, I actually enjoy the "in your head" sound you get with really extreme right/left channel differences (Boards of Canada come to mind), but for other bands, it can get annoying.  

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

It does something with soundstage remodeling, but it kills too much micro-details in music. Great if you want absolutely relaxing listening, but terrible for more attentive listening sessions.

Agree, I was only planning on using it for extended listening sessions.  

post #9297 of 18029
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Originally Posted by kard16 View Post
 

Has anyone here tried using this DSP with the HE-500: http://bs2b.sourceforge.net/

 

I don't know much about crossfeed, but it does seem to help with fatigue.  Curious if anyone here uses this or any similar DSP.     

I don't use it with HE500 cuz I don't hear any need for it but I do use it with my modded Q701 to bring forward/center the sound stage a bit on certain tracks only.  The one I use is Bauer DSP.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

It does something with soundstage remodeling, but it kills too much micro-details in music. Great if you want absolutely relaxing listening, but terrible for more attentive listening sessions.

Since when we stop just "listening" to the music ?  Everyone should stop "analyzing" FR response/sound stage and all other craps.  Instead, just enjoy the music for once.

Sorry...I had a rough day at work.  :p

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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Since when we stop just "listening" to the music ?  Everyone should stop "analyzing" FR response/sound stage and all other craps.  Instead, just enjoy the music for once.

Sorry...I had a rough day at work.  :p

And how do you enjoy your music? Do you pay attention to it? Or do you let it play in the background and do other things meanwhile? I don't think you really read what I said earlier.

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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

And how do you enjoy your music? Do you pay attention to it? Or do you let it play in the background and do other things meanwhile? I don't think you really read what I said earlier.

I have read what you said just fine and still wanna say what I said.  Often, I find "attentive listening" a stressful experience and not enjoyable.  It becomes "analyzing" the music and quality of your HPs rather than purely enjoying what the music has to offer.  For me, there's a balance between SQ and what should be more than enough to just enjoy the music.  We seem to lose that balance here a bit quite often.  Just my opinion.  

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