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post #9241 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

 

YES! With both LCD-2 and LCD-3.

 

HE-500 are more coherent in their FR than LCD-2. Although bass and mid tonality goes to LCD-2 over HE-500. Vocals are more natural on either Audeze. LSD-3 over both in both aspects. :D

There you go with your LSD-3 again  :p   It's a secret and yet you can't keep it under wrap.


Edited by koiloco - 11/13/13 at 9:55pm
post #9242 of 18030
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There you go with your LSD-3 again  :p   It's a secret and yet you can't keep it under wrap.

 

Yup. Really started loving it in the past month. Wanted to sell it so badly before. No desire for a Stax or another Hifiman anymore...for the time being.:D

post #9243 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

 

Yup. Really started loving it in the past month. Wanted to sell it so badly before. No desire for a Stax or another Hifiman anymore...for the time being.:D

Wait, Is it really "LSD" ???  Now you got me confused cuz in your sign. it says "LSD" too.:D

post #9244 of 18030
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Wait, Is it really "LSD" ???  Now you got me confused cuz in your sign. it says "LSD" too.:D

 

Now it is a LSD-3. It was bought as a LCD-3. It was annoying to wear. Weight distribution was annoying. Clamping force was annoying and the sound was somewhat closed. Had to do lot of messing around with the headband, earpads to get it just right. Had to modify a beyer headband for it to work perfectly with the Audeze headband. Perfect weight distribution now. Also doesn't slip off my head. Had to go out and get some leather cream for the earpads. Really softened them up. First tried bending the headband manually, but it wasn't the best approach and it kept returning to original form. Had to use some tools to get that to settle in and stay that way permanently. It's pretty much perfect right now in terms of weight and comfort. Far more comforting than HE-500 ever was. Treble, soundstage and air opened up a lot as well due to reduced clamping, better angling and better fit. At times music even sounded bright...like that's insane for an Audeze model to even happen. It was nearly a Hifiman. I reduced it a bit so it's just at the near perfect spot. It works really, really well with Emotiva now. Back in summer, it sounded a bit boring. Definitely improved. Even a BHA-1 at that time couldn't bring much excitement since I had HE-500 as a reference. Right now everything is on point, but if something starts pissing me off, I'll mod the earcups next and the fabric. I have a few schemes in my head that I'll try during winter break.

post #9245 of 18030
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Wait, Is it really "LSD" ???  Now you got me confused cuz in your sign. it says "LSD" too.:D

 

I know, I'm dying! :o2smile: His signature says LSD-3!

post #9246 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

 

Now it is a LSD-3. It was bought as a LCD-3. It was annoying to wear. Weight distribution was annoying. Clamping force was annoying and the sound was somewhat closed. Had to do lot of messing around with the headband, earpads to get it just right. Had to modify a beyer headband for it to work perfectly with the Audeze headband. Perfect weight distribution now. Also doesn't slip off my head. Had to go out and get some leather cream for the earpads. Really softened them up. First tried bending the headband manually, but it wasn't the best approach and it kept returning to original form. Had to use some tools to get that to settle in and stay that way permanently. It's pretty much perfect right now in terms of weight and comfort. Far more comforting than HE-500 ever was. Treble, soundstage and air opened up a lot as well due to reduced clamping, better angling and better fit. At times music even sounded bright...like that's insane for an Audeze model to even happen. It was nearly a Hifiman. I reduced it a bit so it's just at the near perfect spot. It works really, really well with Emotiva now. Back in summer, it sounded a bit boring. Definitely improved. Even a BHA-1 at that time couldn't bring much excitement since I had HE-500 as a reference. Right now everything is on point, but if something starts pissing me off, I'll mod the earcups next and the fabric. I have a few schemes in my head that I'll try during winter break.

That's hardly enough modification to call it a different name :rolleyes:

 

By your naming logic, I should be calling my headphones Hifijerg JG-j5e0r0g now.

 

I kid, I kid..

post #9247 of 18030
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

That's hardly enough modification to call it a different name :rolleyes:

 

By your naming logic, I should be calling my headphones Hifijerg JG-j5e0r0g now.

 

I kid, I kid..

 

Little on paper perhaps, but definitely spent a lot of time just getting it to be perfect for me. The challenge was to maintain the consistency from day to day without needing to modify or touch up on anything. One thing I hated with Hifiman and even LCD-2 back when I had them was that I always had to readjust every few minutes for some reason. I pretty much eliminated that completely. It's little things but accumulate to huge changes in enjoyment. I can do a full 80 min CD without having to readjust at all. I could never come close to that with HE-500 or LCD-2 in the year I had it for. 

 

Update ur sig too :tongue:

 

:beerchug:

post #9248 of 18030
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

I do share this impression with you but I have also heard from different people that you need time to open up to LCD2.
With HE500, I didn't have to do any of that.  Rocking since day 1.
I bought LCD2rev2 used and find them too dark for me. I keep telling myself that maybe I should adapt to them for a while or maybe the treble will increase after quite a while. Keep listening to them for a week without going back to HE500. In the end of the week I listened to HE500 and I feel Damn this is the right one for me.
I listened to them through EF5, Musical Fidelity speaker amp and straight from MDAC. Same results.
It's a wonder how each of us preferred something differently.
post #9249 of 18030
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

 

Better not say that over on head-fi or they'll wring you out to dry. 


I was not bashing the headphone, just expressing my opinion based on my personal preferences.

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By the way guys, I moved back to HA-160 with my HE-500. Found it to be indeed the better match for these headphones than Mjolnir. To me the Burson drives the HE-500s beautifully.

Really tried to like the Mojo more, but I simply can't. In the end I'm unable to fool my ears. It's worth mentioning that I'm using it with a SE DAC though. Maybe it's bottlenecking the amp.

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i do not like the mojo with audeze or hifiman, once again, YMMV.

 

also the HE-500 is a nice headphone but i wouldn't consider it to be "more tonally balanced and correct", that title goes to the HE-6.

 

the HE-500 is a very good headphone, fun, musical, but it is colored and isn't exactly a "correct" or natural tone. its just pleasing to listen to due to its smoothness and warmth. how far the jerg pads go to improve that, i don't know, but the headphone will still have its inherent sound signature and colorations.

post #9252 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

i do not like the mojo with audeze or hifiman, once again, YMMV.

 

also the HE-500 is a nice headphone but i wouldn't consider it to be "more tonally balanced and correct", that title goes to the HE-6.

 

the HE-500 is a very good headphone, fun, musical, but it is colored and isn't exactly a "correct" or natural tone. its just pleasing to listen to due to its smoothness and warmth. how far the jerg pads go to improve that, i don't know, but the headphone will still have its inherent sound signature and colorations.


In comparison to LCD2 it sure is, IMO. HE-500 sure has some colorations, but it's not far from neutral. Actually many people think it's a quite neutral headphone, including David Mahler and Tyll, and I agree with them.


Edited by Okamoto - 11/14/13 at 3:35am
post #9253 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Okamoto View Post
 


In comparison to LCD2 it sure is, IMO. HE-500 sure has some colorations, but it's not far from neutral. Actually many people think it's a quite neutral headphone, including David Mahler and Tyll, and I agree with them.

 

And the FR graph shows this as well.

post #9254 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

i do not like the mojo with audeze or hifiman, once again, YMMV.

 

also the HE-500 is a nice headphone but i wouldn't consider it to be "more tonally balanced and correct", that title goes to the HE-6.

 

the HE-500 is a very good headphone, fun, musical, but it is colored and isn't exactly a "correct" or natural tone. its just pleasing to listen to due to its smoothness and warmth. how far the jerg pads go to improve that, i don't know, but the headphone will still have its inherent sound signature and colorations.

 

I disagree. The earpad mod introduces sweeping changes to the midrange/treble behaviour that do change the inherent sound signature/colourations of HE500. HE500's colourations are 99% in its upper mids/treble region anyhow (it is largely flat between 30 Hz and 1kHz in measurements). The result is one of the most well-behaved/neutral set of frequency response and decay measurements I've seen.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646812/hifiman-he500-he400-jergpad-mod-v2-5-modulor-orders-updated-november

 

Scroll down a bit to see the measurements and comparison with stock pads.

post #9255 of 18030
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Originally Posted by Dubstep Girl View Post
 

 

 HE-500 is a nice headphone but i wouldn't consider it to be "more tonally balanced and correct",

 

the HE-500 is a very good headphone, fun, musical, but it is colored and isn't exactly a "correct" or natural tone. its just pleasing to listen to due to its smoothness and warmth.


+1 --  could not have  said it better myself

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