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post #9031 of 18086
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Damn..now i think of it..my new amp will pump out 5w into 50ohm (as it was orginally designed to drive a he6 lolz)..ouch..that will hurt my new he5 code-x..
 

 Its not going to hurt them. Do you plan on full volume at high gain?

 

The SA31 sounds great paired with the high sensitivity D7k's and it puts out over 11watts @25 ohm.

post #9032 of 18086
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

 Its not going to hurt them. Do you plan on full volume at high gain?

The SA31 sounds great paired with the high sensitivity D7k's and it puts out over 11watts @25 ohm.
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

 Its not going to hurt them. Do you plan on full volume at high gain?

The SA31 sounds great paired with the high sensitivity D7k's and it puts out over 11watts @25 ohm.
My amp has no more knobs but the volume..no gain, no on-off switch...nothing!
So i am guessing its on standard gain.. As i cant change anything to the sound it outputs.. it only has an 'audiophile' Alps lasertrimmed volume actuator.. Dont ask me what that does...its not a Shallco unit (they told me)..as thats what they use on their high-end stuff...

For them my amp is on their lower-end of their productline being under 4000usd...i only know its a very high quality volume control unit..so i am guessing i can adjust the volume very accurately.... wink.gif
post #9033 of 18086

Alas everyone for I have a made a startling discovery! It's a real game changer in terms of amping!

 

I must first admit my infidelity though. I have been demoing bookshelf speakers for the past few weeks to use with my Emotiva. :eek: I ended up settling on a pair of MartinLogan Motion 4 speakers. I liked the sound, but I found the treble to be elevated which caused sibilance and harshness. Also the vocals lacked lushness that I was used to in the HE-500. In my past experience, I knew that tube amps fixed a lot of these problems with harshness and sibilance, like my Beyerdynamic T90 and Bottlehead Crack pairing.

 

On a whim, I thought up an idea: I had been using my WA7 as the DAC to the Emotiva - why not use the entirety of the WA7, both the DAC and amp as a preamp to the Emotiva? I guess I hadn't thought about doing this before since preamps are unheard of in the headphone world. The result was stunning. The music coming out of those speakers made a pair of $400 speakers sound 90% as good in terms of details as my Beyerdynamic T90 (which I find the speakers to have a similar sound signature to), but with the soundstage of the speakers unrivaled by any headphones (sorry HD800). All the problems with sibilance and harshness were gone, and the vocals became much more natural.

 

So then I realized I could do the same with the HE-500 when using with the Emotiva. The result was equally stunning. It was the WA7 sound properly amped to drive the HE-500! Since the Emotiva is pretty neutral, you can really hear sound signature of the WA7 and its tubes. Had I known this before, I probably would not have gotten the Baby Sophia. This definitely improves upon the sound of both the Emotiva and WA7 when used alone with the HE-500. Finally I can hear what the WA7 with proper power would sound like with the HE-500! Another added bonus is how easy it is to fine tune the volume with a preamp. :o

 

I'm connecting the WA7 to the Emotiva via a 3.5mm to RCA cable I had lying around. Since the WA7 has different output power and gain on the 3.5mm and ¼" outputs, and then there is Lo-Z vs. Hi-Z, there are actually four possible settings with measurements listed here: http://kenrockwell.com/audio/woo/wa7.htm#meas

 

If anyone technical knows the best setting for the WA7 to be used as a preamp, please let me know! I'm currently using the 3.5mm output on Lo-Z.

 

So for all those who use their HE-500 with a speaker amp, this now opens up the option of using a headphone amp as a preamp, and all the endless pairings!


Edited by Sonido - 11/2/13 at 9:22pm
post #9034 of 18086
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

Really torn. Woo Audio WA6-SE, Schiit Mjolnir, or some other amp?

Me! I'll pick WA6-SE with upgraded tubes to start out with.  If you wanna Mjolnir, might as well just stick with Emotiva Mini-x and save money for something else.  Unless, you got to have that balanced connection.  This is just my opinion and my ears.  Not meant to dis Mjolnir in any ways so don't take my comments the wrong way.

post #9035 of 18086
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Nope..am new man now...just 3 words: at least 2watts biggrin.gif

I like the "new" you with the new amp and new HPs a lot more.  :p

post #9036 of 18086
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

Me! I'll pick WA6-SE with upgraded tubes to start out with.  If you wanna Mjolnir, might as well just stick with Emotiva Mini-x and save money for something else.  Unless, you got to have that balanced connection.  This is just my opinion and my ears.  Not meant to dis Mjolnir in any ways so don't take my comments the wrong way.
Let me guess..u have a wooaudio amp, huh? Oopsie..just kidding my friend..u know me...

But seriously..i think u cant compare the mjolnir with the emotiva..as the mjornir sounds a bit on the warm side i understand..something the emotiva doesnt to what i understand. wink.gif
post #9037 of 18086

^Sonido,  You are double-amping.  Watch the volume knobs carefully.  It will work just fine like in your case because both amps have very low distortion at the listening level due to the power of the Emotiva.  Enjoy your new found combo and thanks for letting us know.  The little Mini-x is pretty cool, isn't it?  It drives my Klipsch speakers without the fan ever kicking in.  It's a little tank!  Well, not so little.  :)

post #9038 of 18086
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Let me guess..u have a wooaudio amp, huh? Oopsie..just kidding my friend..u know me...

But seriously..i think u cant compare the mjolnir with the emotiva..as the mjornir sounds a bit on the warm side i understand..something the emotiva doesnt to what i understand. wink.gif

I wasn't comparing bud.  I was just speaking $ for $ and the performance ratio you would get from each one.  Sorry, IMO, Mjolnir won't win here.  Also, yes to my ears, you are correct about Mjolnir being a touch warmer and Emotiva is more neutral.

post #9039 of 18086
The Dacmini can drive 32ohm (only) at 1.5W, but it works wonderfull with he500 smily_headphones1.gif
post #9040 of 18086

Yeah both are at 12 o'clock. Wait the Emotiva has a fan??

post #9041 of 18086
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

Yeah both are at 12 o'clock. Wait the Emotiva has a fan??

Yup.  But when running HPs, it will never never come on cuz the amp won't ever even become warm to the touch.

When driving speakers like my Klipsh which are high efficiency, it doesn't bother come on either.

 

If both amps are at 12 and you are getting the sound quality you like.  Leave it.  That's about right.

Often, the amp will be open up all the way and the preamp acts as volume control but the Mini-X has too much pwr to do that and will have noise/hum issue with HE500.  With speakers, you won't have noise issue but volume control on WA7 will be limited.

 


Edited by koiloco - 11/2/13 at 10:19pm
post #9042 of 18086
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

I wasn't comparing bud.  I was just speaking $ for $ and the performance ratio you would get from each one.  Sorry, IMO, Mjolnir won't win here.  Also, yes to my ears, you are correct about Mjolnir being a touch warmer and Emotiva is more neutral.
I know what u meant buddy...i,know u by now a little bit remember wink.gif. But i was guessing others didnt..thats why i mentioned it... Just helping out so no misunderstandings arise..u know how it goes.. biggrin.gif

How is the wa22 doing? Do u hear big changes over weeks with burning in? wink.gif
And already decided which tubes to get next? rolleyes.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 11/2/13 at 10:54pm
post #9043 of 18086

I think the WA22 has improved a bit since it came home.  I found that it's much better at driving dynamic headphones than orthos such as HE500.  Maybe, with different driver tubes, the low end will get better with the HE500.  My akg Q701 is so sublime with the WA22 so far that the HE500 is getting much less head time until new tubes come.  My friend is letting me borrow his HD800 on monday.  I can imagine how the HD800 will sound already based on what I am hearing with the Q701.  The only bad thing is that if I like what I hear with the HD800/WA22 combo, the HD800 will magically appear at my door couple days later.  :p

And yes, I went bidding happy on ebay couple days back and ended up with some Raytheon, RCA, Kenrad and Sylvania 6S7N tubes.  Let's say "a few"  :)  I am watching out for some WE 422A rectifier just to compare with Sophia princess.  

The tubes you recommended are no where to be found.  Very rare.

post #9044 of 18086

My Audio GD 10.32 puts out almost 10w in balanced mode.

post #9045 of 18086
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Originally Posted by Chris_Himself View Post
 

My Audio GD 10.32 puts out almost 10w in balanced mode.

That's the big one, not the one we listened to at the coffee shop, right?

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