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post #8761 of 18029

I think it is a different interpretation of "the He500 at its best" that is driving this debate

Bass response from the amplifier end is largely driven by capacitors, speaker amps have large capacitor banks designed to drive large drivers to high spl.

I doubt these budget speaker amps have the finesse in there design to control all that power at the very low levels required by the He500.

 So what you get is a boosted bass response much like a loudness switch or FM radio.

To many this sounds great and I can see why many would see this as the He500 at its best.

 

On the other side are those who consider the He500 at its best to be as near as possible to a flat response.

This is much more difficult to achieve and requires careful design and high build quality.

 

Both sides are correct in searching for there preferred signature and one side trying to convince the other that there way is the right way is pointless.

post #8762 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Dogmatrix View Post

I think it is a different interpretation of "the He500 at its best" that is driving this debate
Bass response from the amplifier end is largely driven by capacitors, speaker amps have large capacitor banks designed to drive large drivers to high spl.
I doubt these budget speaker amps have the finesse in there design to control all that power at the very low levels required by the He500.
 So what you get is a boosted bass response much like a loudness switch or FM radio.
This is really interesting and suggests it's not so much about the increased power of the speaker amps but rather their design for large drivers.
post #8763 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Dogmatrix View Post
 

I think it is a different interpretation of "the He500 at its best" that is driving this debate

Bass response from the amplifier end is largely driven by capacitors, speaker amps have large capacitor banks designed to drive large drivers to high spl.

I doubt these budget speaker amps have the finesse in there design to control all that power at the very low levels required by the He500.

 So what you get is a boosted bass response much like a loudness switch or FM radio.

To many this sounds great and I can see why many would see this as the He500 at its best.

 

On the other side are those who consider the He500 at its best to be as near as possible to a flat response.

This is much more difficult to achieve and requires careful design and high build quality.

 

Both sides are correct in searching for there preferred signature and one side trying to convince the other that there way is the right way is pointless.

 

Not fully sure about HE-500, but recently I compared my LCD-3 to BHA-1 with BDA-2/Arcam D33 and the Emotiva definitely stood it's ground. The bass is not over exaggerated on the Emotiva. Although I do get what you are saying about the general budget amps in that price category.

 

BTW the LCD-3 needs to be turned up less than HE-500 on Emotiva, so essentially compared it at a lower level than I would need for HE-500, but even still it can manage at low volumes.

post #8764 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Dogmatrix View Post
 

I think it is a different interpretation of "the He500 at its best" that is driving this debate

Bass response from the amplifier end is largely driven by capacitors, speaker amps have large capacitor banks designed to drive large drivers to high spl.

I doubt these budget speaker amps have the finesse in there design to control all that power at the very low levels required by the He500.

 So what you get is a boosted bass response much like a loudness switch or FM radio.

To many this sounds great and I can see why many would see this as the He500 at its best.

 

On the other side are those who consider the He500 at its best to be as near as possible to a flat response.

This is much more difficult to achieve and requires careful design and high build quality.

 

Both sides are correct in searching for there preferred signature and one side trying to convince the other that there way is the right way is pointless.

I hear you there. I've noticed the difference between the budget speaker amps like the Lepai and Emotiva, and a higher end one like the Sophia Baby, and I think it stems from the quality of the bass. With the Baby Sophia, an extra layer of realism in various instruments is brought out by what I believe to be the sub-bass that lingers in the decay.

 

Still just having a more impactful bass through even budget speaker amps, I personally find it more enjoyable compared to the WA7. Have you had an opportunity to try the HE-500 through speaker amps? You'll never know whether you like it if you don't try. :p

post #8765 of 18029

What is the difference in sound between a Schiit Lyr and a solid state? The Lyr says it is a hybrid design.... Is the bass better on the emotiva?

post #8766 of 18029
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

What is the difference in sound between a Schiit Lyr and a solid state? The Lyr says it is a hybrid design.... Is the bass better on the emotiva?

 I would say better impact from the Emotiva not better texture.

post #8767 of 18029
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

What is the difference in sound between a Schiit Lyr and a solid state? The Lyr says it is a hybrid design.... Is the bass better on the emotiva?

Lyr is a hybrid, meaning it uses both tubes and opamps.  Solid state amps use opamps only.  Hybrids are nice because they provide the "tube" sound with the power of solid state amps. Pure tube amps can provide high power as well, but require additional tubes and there are a lot of other considerations in the amp design. 

 

Edit: From everything people have written and what you have said, it seems like 500 on the emotiva would be a good choice for you.


Edited by ethan7000 - 10/20/13 at 4:42pm
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File source: http://ohinternet.com/File:JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg

 

This is pretty much the way I look when I read all of his posts.

 

 

Dunno who you're referring to, but I have recently fallen in love with the "block" setting head-fi has built in. There were a lot of people who seem to be posting the same thing over and and over. One person writes several pages a day on their one headphone alone, but with no new insight or information. It saves me a lot of time. 

post #8769 of 18029
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Lots of people praise the Lyr and the HE-500. Lots of power, and very similar to what many speaker amps would put out at 38ohm. Tube rolling could further enhance things.

If I was looking for a beefy tube amp for the HE-500, I would pick the Lyr, Project Ember, or a Bottlehead kit.
U forget one of the beefiest headphone tube amps around...everyone knows which one i mean by now..and its for sure the biggest i know of in size and weight in tube headphone land..except for the most exotic models of wooaudio ofcourse..but then again we are talking about triple the prices of the amps u just mentioned..lolz.

and i guess the weight partly comes from the huge 2 powerunits on top of the amp and the large row of big caps inside the case....(I HAVE A PIC OF THE INSIDES OF A STANDARD 337 in my amp pics in my profile..if ur interested..lolz) could the powerreserves coming from those parts be the reason why it has so much current to pump into difficult to drive phones? Who knows...am no technical man wink.gif

And guys!!!! Why is everyone talking about bass as the unique selling point for the amp u have to get for ur he500??? If u want bass get a beats headphone and not the he500.. Or the he400.. Those are more extreme in the bass!!..
I miss the more important question about what amp makes the best pair with the he500... Also midrange, treble, soundstage, instruments separation, depth, hight, blackness, absence of hissing!! all that is sometimes just as important or more then big evil bass..

in some cases i prefer a more finer soundsignature (classical music with lots of little tiny detaily thingies in it, that u wont hear with a BIG bass bashing on it....
in that case to much bass can really disrupt music if its to much..but i have to admit even more expensive amps go wrong on that matter..as if they are tuned for more bass..

.maybe marketing to sell more products because many people think that thicking sound is better in the market u til 1000usd (there are exceptions ofcourse).. ???

Funny is that when brands start marketing some of their amps as being 'strong amps'... Those amps lots of times are tuned to sound bass oriented.. But thats my experience ofcourse..and imho
Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/20/13 at 5:55pm
post #8770 of 18029
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Originally Posted by Sonido View Post
 

I hear you there. I've noticed the difference between the budget speaker amps like the Lepai and Emotiva, and a higher end one like the Sophia Baby, and I think it stems from the quality of the bass. With the Baby Sophia, an extra layer of realism in various instruments is brought out by what I believe to be the sub-bass that lingers in the decay.

 

Still just having a more impactful bass through even budget speaker amps, I personally find it more enjoyable compared to the WA7. Have you had an opportunity to try the HE-500 through speaker amps? You'll never know whether you like it if you don't try. :p

I have a Marantz Pm-94 Mosfet 300 watt brute with caps like paint cans I will probably hook it up some day and find out.

post #8771 of 18029
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


U forget one of the beefiest headphone tube amps around...everyone knows which one i mean by now..and its for sure the biggest i know of in size and weight in tube headphone land..except for the most exotic models of wooaudio ofcourse..but then again we are talking about triple the prices of the amps u just mentioned..lolz.

 

By beefy he was referring to a thick sound/power...........

post #8772 of 18029
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post

Have any of the speaker amps guys heard the 500 through the Lyr? Wondering if the 5 or so watts it puts out is more comparable to the speaker amps' bass presentation, or if it's still way off.

 

I have and liked it.  The Lyr is a very capable amp.  Its sound signature is a touch bright;  bass is just a tad lighter being somewhat a tube amp.  To my ear, it has good control of the HE500.

post #8773 of 18029
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

I have and liked it.  The Lyr is a very capable amp.  Its sound signature is a touch bright;  bass is just a tad lighter being somewhat a tube amp.  To my ear, it has good control of the HE500.
Thanks koiloco.
post #8774 of 18029
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

I have and liked it.  The Lyr is a very capable amp.  Its sound signature is a touch bright;  bass is just a tad lighter being somewhat a tube amp.  To my ear, it has good control of the HE500.

 

I also have the Lyr. What tubes do you have? The Lyr is extremely sensitive to the type of tubes used. My Lyr originally came with the JJ E88CC tubes from Schiit, and it has that sound signature you described, bright, and a little too light on the bass. However, once I switched it to the Russian 6N1P tubes (also from Schiit), the sound warmed up a LOT. 

 

Now I have the Amperex 6DJ8 Orange Globes, and that's the best sound yet. High extension without being sibilant, a nice, deep, and tight bass without being overpowering. Very well balanced, and euphonic sound. Its not the most neutral, but I find it colors the sound in the right way.

post #8775 of 18029
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post
 

On the other hand, the O2 is not able to deliver 1 clean watt at all, for example.

 

Not to add to the noise, but above comment can be misinterpreted and that may not have been the intention.

 

O2 or any amp for that matter need not deliver clean 1 watt power at whatever resistance they may be asked to. They need to be clean at their stated specs. Before the orthos became mainstream 1W may have been considered more than plenty. Orthos do not yet rule the planet :)

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