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post #8731 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

I'm consistently amazed by your ability to understand and make connections based on what was actually said.

 

Best of luck with your blue circle amp.  

I giggled. I'm positive such discussions is why ABX testing and such is banned in the general forum, and that is why we have a sub-forum called sound science as well. It is not easy to keep it clean and without hard feelings :(

post #8732 of 18011

Hifimanrookie, you have my full support in becoming a politician! Even though you are located in Amsterdam, if you actually ran for something, I'd be the first one to vote for you. You would honestly make a strong politician. You have the perfect profile for it as well.

 

The opposition party responds with 10 solid arguments. Hifimanrookie responds and focuses on a tiny detail that may not have even been there initially to begin with. This is what true, successful politicians are made up of.

 

Sir Hifimanrookie, you are the Bill O'Reilly of Head-fi! 

 

I am honoured to meet the future president of Netherland. When you become president, you can make up your own parliament building....maybe can call it the Blue House or something. 

post #8733 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


oh f..ck... If i knew this i wouldnt ever order my new blue circle audio amp delivering only a puny 5watts into 50ohm..i could just buy myself a cheap emotiva as that will totally annihilate that BC amp with its multi watts of power redface.gif

Well..only thing i can do now is selling it when i get it and buy me an thunderous emotiva instead, as its almost proven that a multi watts amp will FOR sure totally destroy that expensive headphone amp i am getting as it pumps out several times its poweroutput!..am soooo stupid... As its also proven fact ur brain is an audiophile instrument to fit in the parts ur weak amp is missing..

Thansk for explaining..as its so clear to me my brain must be extreme audiophile as its a master in putting the missing parts into the music that my amp misses..but how about so many people around me.(mass delusion??) .as its only 1watt strong..silly me...and me thinking it was actually a dark destroyer, killing everything when it was compared to many other MORE stronger amps... biggrin.gif

Maybe i can still cancel my order..hope so.. As i will need to recable my custommade balanced cable also biggrin.gif

 

I don't even think you got the specs right. The SBH puts out 350mW @ 50ohm, not 5 watts. I don't see any other headphone amp BC sells, and the SBH starts at $1,350. They also use Flickr to post their price list. Very professional.

 

You're too busy believing that more $ equals better sound, that you're too naive and unwilling to understand what is actually going on, and being explained in great detail, quite clearly, by people in this thread who have a better understanding and have more knowledge on the subject than you. Your condescending tone defending your $1,300 purchase in no way counters or disproves the vast amount of detail provided that you are so against. The fact you can't understand that the $169 Emotiva and $20 Lepai have a better chance of delivering the better listening experience, only goes to show that you deserve to pay more for less.

post #8734 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

Hifimanrookie, you have my full support in becoming a politician! Even though you are located in Amsterdam, if you actually ran for something, I'd be the first one to vote for you. You would honestly make a strong politician. You have the perfect profile for it as well.

The opposition party responds with 10 solid arguments. Hifimanrookie responds and focuses on a tiny detail that may not have even been there initially to begin with. This is what true, successful politicians are made up of.

Sir Hifimanrookie, you are the Bill O'Reilly of Head-fi! 

I am honoured to meet the future president of Netherland. When you become president, you can make up your own parliament building....maybe can call it the Blue House or something. 
Thank u thank u!!! Lolz
It would certainly enlarge my budget to buy audio stuff in a big way! biggrin.gif

Would u like to be my scriptwriter for my speeches? As ur a master in it also...respect!

Ur good..doing ur homework to make ur point..thats what a scriptwriter for any successfull politician does... We would be a good team... biggrin.gif
But we are getting a bit offtopic..i always respond on a personal/emotional level..and u do it on a more rational level... And in my opinion its both okay.. As we are both passionate in what we believe in and think about things..

in the end we want same thing... Best sound for our budget..i think u have to agree on this last point. tongue.gif
post #8735 of 18011
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

I don't even think you got the specs right. The SBH puts out 350mW @ 50ohm, not 5 watts. I don't see any other headphone amp BC sells, and the SBH starts at $1,350. They also use Flickr to post their price list. Very professional.

You're too busy believing that more $ equals better sound, that you're too naive and unwilling to understand what is actually going on, and being explained in great detail, quite clearly, by people in this thread who have a better understanding and have more knowledge on the subject than you. Your condescending tone defending your $1,300 purchase in no way counters or disproves the vast amount of detail provided that you are so against. The fact you can't understand that the $169 Emotiva and $20 Lepai have a better chance of delivering the better listening experience, only goes to show that you deserve to pay more for less.

Knowing more then me?? Techical u maybe right.. But otherwise? Who here has experience with the amps i had? U?? Anyone?? So how u can say that people has more experience? I always said i am no techincal person..i say things I HEAR!! Not how its measured!! If u believe measurements is the way to go..well go ahead! Not me..
And about the BC amp..before u POST something..do ur homework!!! Ur saying things thats incorrect..and we dont like that here!

Am not getting their sbh by the way!...mine will be totally customade and based on their NSL amp (yes their 20.000usd plus amps) but instead of 28 watts it will deliver 5watts into 50 ohm..where did u get the idea i was getting a sbh???

And before ur trying to say that an emotiva or lepai is better then ANY blue circle amp..well..i think ur ...well..i wanted to ssay something..but i think its better not..do urself a favor and read SOME of the reviews about blue circle amps.(or even the sbh ur mentioning..) and u will see that ANYBODY says its best they heard in their pricepoints..no matter how expensive the blue circle amp is..so pls..keep ur remarks about an company being professional or not to urself if u never ever saw one in person or didnt even know the brand before i actually mentioned it here...thank u..

and about their way of marketing..read any review about their products..and all say he doesnt give a shiit about marketing... He only cares about putting best sound into his products.he even makes amp in plastic tubes to keep prices low! Lolz..on every review u can read that..and that was reason why i chose to order an custommade amp from him... And for ur info....i once started on a budget amp also..so i know what i am talking about..

And pls..wake up if u think that a bakoon or cavalli amp (same price point as my amp) wont kick the butt of any amp ur mentioning (just mentioning brands U PROBABLY DO KNOW).. As money sometimes does equate to better soundquality..but i agree on one thing..at a certain point its more about esthetics then sound..but then ur talking about very very expensive stuff...
Just to show u they have other amps then their most cheapest amp..the sbh

http://www.bluecircle.com
Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/20/13 at 10:35am
post #8736 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post



Thank u thank u!!! Lolz
It would certainly enlarge my budget to buy audio stuff in a big way! biggrin.gif

Would u like to be my scriptwriter for my speeches? As ur a master in it also...respect!

Ur good..doing ur homework to make ur point..thats what a scriptwriter for any successfull politician does... We would be a good team... biggrin.gif
But we are getting a bit offtopic..i always respond on a personal/emotional level..and u do it on a more rational level... And in my opinion its both okay.. As we are both passionate in what we believe in and think about things..

in the end we want same thing... Best sound for our budget..i think u have to agree on this last point. tongue.gif

 

I'll give you that.

post #8737 of 18011

Quick and important question! Bought Burson HA-160DS demo model, but learned that it's not ideal with Hifiman HE-500. Now the same store has the Burson Soloist SL. Would it be good to make the swap? Would that be better for the HE-500? Are the Soloist SL good for HE-500? Also which DAC should I then buy (budget 125-250 euro for second hand).

post #8738 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post



Thank u thank u!!! Lolz
It would certainly enlarge my budget to buy audio stuff in a big way! biggrin.gif

Would u like to be my scriptwriter for my speeches? As ur a master in it also...respect!

Ur good..doing ur homework to make ur point..thats what a scriptwriter for any successfull politician does... We would be a good team... biggrin.gif
But we are getting a bit offtopic..i always respond on a personal/emotional level..and u do it on a more rational level... And in my opinion its both okay.. As we are both passionate in what we believe in and think about things..

in the end we want same thing... Best sound for our budget..i think u have to agree on this last point. tongue.gif

The only way it would work is if you stopped the speech at the end of each point and made the same faces as the emoticons you use, you would have my vote!

post #8739 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Textfeud View Post
 

Quick and important question! Bought Burson HA-160DS demo model, but learned that it's not ideal with Hifiman HE-500. Now the same store has the Burson Soloist SL. Would it be good to make the swap? Would that be better for the HE-500? Are the Soloist SL good for HE-500? Also which DAC should I then buy (budget 125-250 euro for second hand).

 

Use the Xonar STX as a dac.

post #8740 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Fearless1 View Post

The only way it would work is if you stopped the speech at the end of each point and made the same faces as the emoticons you use, you would have my vote!
Guys..we are getting to a point that we are saying things we dont want and which dont attribute anything to this thread..
Lets us end this in saying that we have emotional listeners willing to spend money on their rig and more rational listeners not believing that more money actually gives more sound quality..

Let us go back on topi okay..i saw texfreud asking a very good question about the soloist and what dac goes with it ..which is not to expensive..and am sure u guys are masters in that...so pls reply to him..thanks!
post #8741 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Guys..we are getting to a point that we are saying things we dont want and which dont attribute anything to this thread..
Lets us end this in saying that we have emotional listeners willing to spend money on their rig and more rational listeners not believing that more money actually gives more sound quality..

Let us go back on topi okay..i saw texfreud asking a very good question about the soloist and what dac goes with it ..which is not to expensive..and am sure u guys are masters in that...so pls reply to him..thanks!

 

File source: http://ohinternet.com/File:JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg

 

 

LOL masters....very sneaky and subtle there. I see the politician emerging already.

post #8742 of 18011

Cheese... I woke up and saw 2 pages of new posts; read them all and learn a few new things.  So to ease off the tension a bit, I would like to inject my personal experience into this heated debate and hopefully clear up some subjective arguments.  I started this hobby not long ago by accident but have been around pro-audio, recording/mixing and home theater for a long time.  What I have learned from my other hobbies and involvements were there are always 2 very divisive groups :

 

1. one who spends more $ for equipment and chase after every bit of quality even when they hit the diminishing point of return hard.

2. one who spends much less in the hope/belief of getting close to or equal the quality that group 1 is getting.

 

Naturally, group 1 often looks down on the group 2's equipment to either self justify their purchase or to believe that they belong to a different elite class in the hobby.

Then, group 2 often brags that they spend much less for the same or very close quality that group 1 is getting while spending much less.  The often underlined indication is that "group 1 is simply stupid, self-classed and somewhat ignorant".  We are talking pure human nature here so there's no amount of discussion or argument that will completely resolve these issues.  

For me, I started out with very low end stuffs (Fiio amp/DAC).  I was very happy with them and still have/use them daily at the office with my Q701.  Then I got the Emotiva for my HE500 after MUCH skepticism.  I pretty much purchased the Emotiva to prove myself right and owners like M-13 and some others who have been raving about the Mini-X.  My thought was that the power argument is bull crap.  Oh my, was I wrong!  The moment I heard my HE500 (hoping to hear no improvement over my E9K), i said to myself "oh ****, they are right".  Then months passed and I started getting deeper into the hobby.  I decided to explore a little more in anticipation for my next headphone purchase.  I ended up with the taboo MKIII which was at 10x the cost of the Emotiva.  Honestly, did it blow the Emotiva away in every departments?  Heck no, was it worth 10x more? another NO but there are absolutely a lot of things the taboo does better if those things matter to you.  If both were strictly same class of amps, I would not pay more than $600 for the taboo (or 3x more than the Mini-x).  Now, I am waiting for my Woo WA22 that's incoming on Wed.  My goal is to find out and verify the point at which spending $ will be just a waste in this hobby.  Unfortunately, to my ear capability and wallet, I am not at that stopping point yet.  

I don't look at the people who spend more than me and think they are stupid or naive in anyway if indeed they could appreciate the sometimes minute improvements.  I don't look down on people who spend less $ than me and think they are ignorant for suggesting that they are getting the same sound quality as I am or people in group 1.

But the recent indication that an amp that is selling for $20 (probably costs $5 to make) can go neck to neck with much higher end components, I am sorry to say IMO there's no magic in manufacturing cost vs. performance ratio, even with today technology.  There's only so much you can do with that much $.  Don't get me wrong! I am not saying that the $20 amp is crap but please realize the reality while you are at it.   I never dare to say that my E9K is nearly as good as a Lyr or audio gd ... because I know it's not and I am fine with the fact that it's not but it still gives me my enjoyment for what it cost me.

One last thought, asking for reference point when it comes to a new piece of equipment is always helpful but often ends up with mixed signals and misunderstanding.

If you enjoy your gear, that's all that matters regardless of the cost.  Leave people's gears alone and stop comparing up to justify your spending less, stop comparing down and find imaginative improvements to justify your spending more...  

 

Peace out all.


Edited by koiloco - 10/20/13 at 11:08am
post #8743 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

 

File source: http://ohinternet.com/File:JeanLucPicardFacepalm.jpg

 

 

LOL masters....very sneaky and subtle there. I see the politician emerging already.

no politics...i am just not knowledgable enough to answer his question as i never bought a budget dac! so be nice and help him... was an honest request..so pls dont take it out of context..thanks!.. and still no answer on his question...except for someone advising a sonar..anyone else?

post #8744 of 18011
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post
 

no politics...i am just not knowledgable enough to answer his question as i never bought a budget dac! so be nice and help him... was an honest request..so pls dont take it out of context..thanks!.. and still no answer on his question...except for someone advising a sonar..anyone else?

 

Xonar is probably the best for that money, you are not paying for a box and external PSU etc. But I expect you probably want an external DAC because it looks nicer next to the amp so you probably wont listen to me!

post #8745 of 18011
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

Cheese... I woke up and saw 2 pages of new posts; read them all and learn a few new things.  So to ease off the tension a bit, I would like to inject my personal experience into this heated debate and hopefully clear up some subjective arguments.  I started this hobby not long ago by accident but have been around pro-audio, recording/mixing and home theater for a long time.  What I have learned from my other hobbies and involvements were there are always 2 very divisive groups :

 

1. one who spends more $ for equipment and chase after every bit of quality even when they hit the diminishing point of return hard.

2. one who spends much less in the hope/belief of getting close to or equal the quality that group 1 is getting.

 

Naturally, group 1 often looks down on the group 2's equipment to either self justify their purchase or to believe that they belong to a different elite class in the hobby.

Then, group 2 often brags that they spend much less for the same or very close quality that group 1 is getting while spending much less.  The often underlined indication is that "group 1 is simply stupid, self-classed and somewhat ignorant".  We are talking pure human nature here so there's no amount of discussion or argument that will completely resolve these issues.  

For me, I started out with very low end stuffs (Fiio amp/DAC).  I was very happy with them and still have/use them daily at the office with my Q701.  Then I got the Emotiva for my HE500 after MUCH skepticism.  I pretty much purchased the Emotiva to prove myself right and owners like M-13 and some others who have been raving about the Mini-X.  My thought was that the power argument is bull crap.  Oh my, was I wrong!  The moment I heard my HE500 (hoping to hear no improvement over my E9K), i said to myself "oh ****, they are right".  Then months passed and I started getting deeper into the hobby.  I decided to explore a little more in anticipation for my next headphone purchase.  I ended up with the taboo MKIII which was at 10x the cost of the Emotiva.  Honestly, did it blow the Emotiva away in every departments?  Heck no, was it worth 10x more? another NO but there are absolutely a lot of things the taboo does better if those things matter to you.  If both were strictly same class of amps, I would not pay more than $600 for the taboo (or 3x more than the Mini-x).  Now, I am waiting for my Woo WA22 that's incoming on Wed.  My goal is to find out and verify the point at which spending $ will be just a waste in this hobby.  Unfortunately, to my ear capability and wallet, I am not at that stopping point yet.  

I don't look at the people who spend more than me and think they are stupid or naive in anyway if indeed they could appreciate the sometimes minute improvements.  I don't look down on people who spend less $ than me and think they are ignorant for suggesting that they are getting the same sound quality as I am or people in group 1.

But the recent indication that an amp that is selling for $20 (probably costs $5 to make) can go neck to neck with much higher end components, I am sorry to say IMO there's no magic in manufacturing cost vs. performance ratio, even with today technology.  There's only so much you can do with that much $.  Don't get me wrong! I am not saying that the $20 amp is crap but please realize the reality while you are at it.   I never dare to say that my E9K is nearly as good as a Lyr or audio gd ... because I know it's not and I am fine with the fact that it's not but it still gives me my enjoyment for what it cost me.

One last thought, asking for reference point when it comes to a new piece of equipment is always helpful but often ends up with mixed signals and misunderstanding.

If you enjoy your gear, that's all that matters regardless of the cost.  Leave people's gears alone and stop comparing up to justify your spending less, stop comparing down and find imaginative improvements to justify your spending more...  

 

Peace out all.

this is what i all wanted to say my dear friend.as i am going the same way i guess....only u said it so much better!! thanks..let us now go back to this wonderfull thread...with respect to each others believes and opinions.. thanks!

and every newbie who pm'ed me with advice and also the 'masters' of headfi whith who i sometimes pm with for very differnt reasons know i always respect anyone and am also deadly honest in what i say or believe....no matter what they have or believe in...i just wanted to clear that up.

 

and another thing..if u do say something about a brand a bit negative...do ur homework before that..as it could damage their name if ur wrong...peace out.


Edited by hifimanrookie - 10/20/13 at 11:37am
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