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post #8686 of 18011
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

I read a review of the emotiva yesterday and he said that it was lacking bass hmmm....

The audio-GD looks nice but a bit expensive.... Need more cash!

Yes it more than enough in impact and punchiness. It has the most neutral bass of the three. The other two amps have a more "fun" bass. A metaphor would be all three are like cars with V8 engines and 0-60 times under 4 seconds. But the Lepai and Baby Sophia are under 3.5 seconds and the Emotiva is closer to 4 seconds. In your everyday driving you wouldn't ever realize the difference unless you went head to head with one of the other cars from a red light. Same here. You wouldn't think the bass could get even more punchy or impactful until you listened next to the other amps. And for reference the WA7 and other underpowered amps would be like a Toyota Camry.
Edited by Sonido - 10/19/13 at 1:12pm
post #8687 of 18011
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

I read a review of the emotiva yesterday and he said that it was lacking bass hmmm....

 

The audio-GD looks nice but a bit expensive.... Need more cash!

If the reviewer found the emotiva lacking bass, it is surely interesting.  If Sophia has more bass than the Emotiva, for a tube amp, that's really amazing.  I haven't tried the other 2 amps personally so I can't and won't comment on the review but thx for taking the time and give us your impression about these amps.

post #8688 of 18011
Do SET amps work for headphones? It's not really talked about much on Headfi
post #8689 of 18011
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post

Do SET amps work for headphones? It's not really talked about much on Headfi

You can make any amp work with headphones. The main concern with tube speaker amp is protecting its transformers. You would need the HE adapter box or DIY your resistors to the binding posts. Then you also need to figure out if the SET amp could provide enough juice into your load. Most SET amps are flea power and may or may not work well, but the only way to know is to try it out! Preproman uses a First Watt F4 for his HE-6, and that is only 10wpc (beefy class A), so a SET amp certainly is a good possibility for the HE-500.

 

EDIT: Bottlehead makes a SET amp called the S.E.X., perhaps you can try asking for feedback in the threads here, or shoot them an email.


Edited by brunk - 10/19/13 at 2:38pm
post #8690 of 18011

I remember when I first got the Emotiva, I found the bass response quite similar to the O2. Two months later, it wasn't even close. I think it was partially burn in but also an adjustment period. Give it a few days. Emotiva is definitely not bass light, especially with the HE-500.

post #8691 of 18011
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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post
 

 

What sort of power do they need then?

 

2w @ 38 ohm?

It's all about reserve power. On emotiva, I never went past 10 o clock with HE-500. Amps are much more linear in performance when they aren't being driven to the max. This is why with speaker amps you can listen at a low volume and yet still get great bass. It's easier on the ears for sure. With O2, you'd have to turn it up a bit to get the bass, but then the treble would sometimes get out of control. You shouldn't have to cheat on your ears' safety. EVER.

 

Honestly, for you I'd recommend getting a Lyr. Keep it simple and easy. It's plug and play and you need no fancy cables. Also, easy on the desk space. Also, it works well with the LCD-2 if you go down that road...but then again, so does Emotiva:tongue_smile: 

post #8692 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

It's all about reserve power. On emotiva, I never went past 10 o clock with HE-500. Amps are much more linear in performance when they aren't being driven to the max. This is why with speaker amps you can listen at a low volume and yet still get great bass. It's easier on the ears for sure. With O2, you'd have to turn it up a bit to get the bass, but then the treble would sometimes get out of control. You shouldn't have to cheat on your ears' safety. EVER.

 

Honestly, for you I'd recommend getting a Lyr. Keep it simple and easy. It's plug and play and you need no fancy cables. Also, easy on the desk space. Also, it works well with the LCD-2 if you go down that road...but then again, so does Emotiva:tongue_smile: 

Also want to mention soft clipping vs hard clipping. Tube amps have an innate ability to soft clip as opposed to hard clip with solid state amps when overdriven due to the technology. This makes the distortions caused at overdriven levels to be pleasing, less noticeable to the ear. That also seems to be the reason why tube speaker amps are usually rated at lower wattage levels compared to solid state amps that output the same level of volume and power. Our ears can handle higher levels of distortions when it is soft clipped. Now not that the HE-500 actually causes any of these speaker amps to create a significant level of THD at a comfortable listening level. I do however think for weaker headphone amps that distortion levels at higher volumes could end up being a concern. I encourage everyone to look up soft vs. hard clipping. I find it quite an interesting read.

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I guess the hole deal lies in the distortion...
post #8695 of 18011
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Originally Posted by ethan7000 View Post


Subjective. That's about what the EF5 puts out and I believe the EF5 was made for the HE5/LE, which is even less sensitive than the 500. Meaning HiFiMAN thinks that's enough power, and I would tend to agree from what I've heard. But I haven't heard the 500 off speaker amps, so maybe there is the huge difference some members report.


I've heard mine using a vintage Kenwood receiver speaker connections and there is no difference to my ears between that and the EF5 which is the primary amp I use. I really don't get why people think something that puts out more WPC will sound better. No matter the power available, the headphones can only use so much before they start to distort or get fried. Using some people's logic, a darTZeel monoblock should sound so good you'd have a spontaneous orgasm.

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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post


I've heard mine using a vintage Kenwood receiver speaker connections and there is no difference to my ears between that and the EF5 which is the primary amp I use. I really don't get why people think something that puts out more WPC will sound better. No matter the power available, the headphones can only use so much before they start to distort or get fried. Using some people's logic, a darTZeel monoblock should sound so good you'd have a spontaneous orgasm.
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I dont get the 'more power=better soundquality' idea also... Okay there are borders on the minimal neccessary power to drive a planar.. But for the rest..just get an amp that sounds good with the he500 and dont buy an amp just because it pumps out gazilious watts into the poor he500.. Imho ofcourse.. I prefer (and always did) to find that magical synergy between ALL ur components.. Somtimes it will cost ya lots of money to get to that point.. Getting as many watts as possible per dollar for ur he500 is total ludacrisy...

Better save some more for a better amp..as ur missing out on ur budget multi million watts pumping amp driving ur he500 (it deserves a good amp guys!).... Imho ofcourse
post #8697 of 18011
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Originally Posted by roadcykler View Post


I've heard mine using a vintage Kenwood receiver speaker connections and there is no difference to my ears between that and the EF5 which is the primary amp I use. I really don't get why people think something that puts out more WPC will sound better. No matter the power available, the headphones can only use so much before they start to distort or get fried. Using some people's logic, a darTZeel monoblock should sound so good you'd have a spontaneous orgasm.
Thank you, I literally laughed out loud, that was hilarious biggrin.gif
post #8698 of 18011

I was going to question the logic behind the current argument (pun intended)

But then I remembered that I really don't care what people run there HE500 with

So I will go back to listening to the HE500 on my "underpowered" WA7

post #8699 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Dogmatrix View Post

I was going to question the logic behind the current argument (pun intended)
But then I remembered that I really don't care what people run there HE500 with
So I will go back to listening to the HE500 on my "underpowered" WA7
How do you like it on the WA7?
post #8700 of 18011
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Originally Posted by Dogmatrix View Post
 

I was going to question the logic behind the current argument (pun intended)

But then I remembered that I really don't care what people run there HE500 with

So I will go back to listening to the HE500 on my "underpowered" WA7

 

Other people will go back to their $20 Lepai and $169 Emotiva amps, and not feel the need to defend their purchase out of insecurity.

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